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re: Pels get the #1 pick, who would you want to draft?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
If we're getting pick 3 or 4, am i the only one wanting Shaedon Sharpe?
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:47 pm to CP3forMVP
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Hell, McNamara compared him to Jayson Tatum the other day. He's far closer to the other Duke wings I mentioned then the guys you mentioned.
We are talking about Pablo Banchero right
McNamara is one of the worst evaluators of talent I’ve ever seen fwiw
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:54 pm to NOSHAU
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Not if they got #1. Based on the current cap and tax estimates, the #1 pick would put us about $3 over the tax.
You're right, the numbers I was looking at didn't factor in the 120% of the rookie scale.
I'm sure they'd figure something out to squeak below it before the end of the season.
ETA: if we land any top 3 pick we would be in the tax. The 4th pick would be very close, would depend on the exact cap figure.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 4:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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you mean 40lbs heavier than Chet is now?
We don’t know what Chet weighs now. I’d assume he’s eclipsed 200 lb by now at least.
Either way his weight isn’t crucial to his game like Gobert
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:17 pm to GynoSandberg
I just don't understand how people watch Jabari Smith and don't realize right away that his game meshes perfectly in the NBA.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:30 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Agree, it would not take much to get below tax by end of the season.
You're right, the numbers I was looking at didn't factor in the 120% of the rookie scale.
I'm sure they'd figure something out to squeak below it before the end of the season.
ETA: if we land any top 3 pick we would be in the tax. The 4th pick would be very close, would depend on the exact cap figure.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:37 pm to Broski
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Chet Holmgren’s final shooting numbers:
170-280 overall (60.7%)
129-175 on twos (73.7%)
105-125 at the rim (84%)
24-50 non rim twos (48%)
41-105 from three (39%)
71-99 free throws (71.7%)
He ended w/ a 69.1% TS% and a 68.0% eFG% on 21.6% usage w/ an offensive rating of 127.0
Time to look at their final advanced stats, starting with Chet Holmgren:
67.3% MIN%, 19.6 REB% (28.7% DR%, 8.0% OR%), 11.4 AST%, 15.7 TO%, 1.00 A/TO ratio, 1.6% STL%, 12.6 BLK%, 78.7 defensive rating, 31.3 PER, 15.0 BPM (7.5 OBPM, 7.5 DBPM), .294 win shares/40 minutes
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Paolo Banchero’s final shooting numbers:
245-513 overall (47.8%)
201-383 on twos (52.5%)
127-188 at the rim (67.6%)
74-195 non rim twos (37.9%)
44-130 from three (33.8%)
137-188 FTs (72.9%)
He ended w/ a 55.7% TS% and a 52.0% eFG% on 27.5% usage w/ an offensive rating of 113.8
Paolo Banchero’s final advanced stats for 2021-22:
82.2% MIN%, 13.2% REB% (19.1% DR%, 6.4% OR%), 17.5% AST%, 13.3% TO%, 1.35 A/TO ratio, 1.9% STL%, 2.7% BLK%, 98.1 defensive rating, 24.2 PER, 7.7 BPM (5.4 OBPM, 2.3 DBPM), .191 win shares/40 minutes
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Jabari Smith’s final shooting numbers:
183-427 overall (42.9%)
104-239 on twos (43.5%)
41-63 at the rim (65.1%)
63-176 non rim twos (35.8%)
79-188 from three (42%)
131-164 free throws (79.9%)
He ended w/ a 57.0% TS% and a 52.1% eFG% on 27.6% usage w/ an offensive rating of 116.5
Jabari Smith’s final advanced stats for 2021-22:
70.9% MIN%, 13.6% REB% (23.5% DR%, 3.5% OR%), 14.0 AST%, 11.1% TO%, 1.08 A/TO ratio, 2.1% STL%, 3.8% BLK%, 90.7 defensive rating, 25.1 PER, 11.1 BPM (7.4 OBPM, 3.8 DBPM), .227 win shares/40 minutes
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:40 pm to Lester Earl
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We are talking about Pablo Banchero right
McNamara is one of the worst evaluators of talent I’ve ever seen fwiw
Yes Banchero, but the point was he's a wing, not an interior big.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:42 pm to Broski
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I just don't understand how people watch Jabari Smith and don't realize right away that his game meshes perfectly in the NBA.
I think the very fact that he's a consensus top three pick in this draft says people do realize this. But so are Chet and Paolo, and people don't draft for today, but rather 5-6 years down the line.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:50 pm to CP3forMVP
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Yes Banchero, but the point was he's a wing, not an interior big.
Is a stretch 4 a wing now? Im just asking, I don’t know how that’s categorized
He’s very different than Tatum though. Could you imagine him trying to guard Tatum? Ain’t happening
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:55 pm to GynoSandberg
Put that in a spread sheet, sandy
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:01 pm to Lester Earl
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Is a stretch 4 a wing now? Im just asking, I don’t know how that’s categorized
He’s very different than Tatum though. Could you imagine him trying to guard Tatum? Ain’t happening
I think of him in the mold of a Giannis, Tobias Harris, etc. Guys you could really call a 3 or a 4, but are more wing oriented players. Duke coaches specifically named him as a wing as well, which I think is telling.
I think the defense is the big question mark with him. I think 1-on-1 defense is less of a concern and things you have to do off ball are where the big concerns come in. He was actually really good defending on the perimeter, iso situations, defending the ball in the PnR, etc. But when he had to defend the roll man in the PnR, or rotate, etc is where his tape is pretty bad.
It's well said in Kevin O'Connor's scouting report on him:
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A strong and quick defender who could potentially develop into a versatile on-ball stopper. He can slide laterally against smaller guys and might be best suited as a small-ball 5 due to his comfort switching screens.
very game, he has instances when he doesn't even bother to contest a shot or rotate to help. He’ll sometimes lose track of his man and he could be better about boxing out more frequently. Banchero shoulders a lot of responsibility on offense, so he might be conserving energy.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:08 pm to Lester Earl
I think there are 2 different conversations happening here. Will Chet be a good NBA player and will Chet be a good NBA center. I think there's a lot less certainty about him becoming a good center vs. a good player because of the weight issue.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:28 pm to CP3forMVP
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I think the very fact that he's a consensus top three pick in this draft says people do realize this. But so are Chet and Paolo, and people don't draft for today, but rather 5-6 years down the line.
My point is Jabari is a consensus #1 in my eyes.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:40 pm to Broski
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My point is Jabari is a consensus #1 in my eyes.
He probably has the highest floor, but I think it's hard for some to justify taking a role player #1. I was listening to an NBA draft pod the other day and they were talking about how Jabari isn't a guy that you can give the ball and tell him to go get a basket. You'd be taking a guy that isn't a #1 with the first overall pick. This is all hypothetical of course, maybe he will become that.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:49 pm to TigerinATL
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I think there's a lot less certainty about him becoming a good center vs. a good player
I just don’t think his position categorization is relevant at all
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:01 pm to CP3forMVP
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Giannis, Tobias Harris, etc. Guys you could really call a 3 or a 4, but are more wing oriented players.
I mean I could get on board with Harris but neither one of those guys have the ball mobility of Giannis to get to whatever spot he wants to on the court.
Im probably selling him short, and maybe it’s my bias but I see a KAT/ Al Horford mix.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:04 pm to CP3forMVP
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You'd be taking a guy that isn't a #1 with the first overall pick.
Chet wasn't a #1 at Gonzaga
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:07 pm to Lester Earl
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I just don’t think his position categorization is relevant at all
For the people that think he's a "perfect fit" with Zion, who is guarding centers? Over the next few years you can stagger and use bench minutes to make it not matter, but starting in year 3 it probably becomes an issue to resolve if he can't be your main rim protector.
I'm not saying don't draft him, but there really isn't a consensus #1, so if you get the #1 pick, what you think that player will likely be in 3-5 years might be the tie breaker when picking. Honestly, if he's not a center he probably has a lot more trade value in 3-5 years if you need to trade him because he's too redundant.
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