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re: Omer Asik ain't pretty but
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:11 pm to whoknows1390
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:11 pm to whoknows1390
Truth.
Is anyone curious as to why AD has broken out this season as a legit MVP candidate? It's not just because he's maturing physically, a lot of it has to do with Asik.
Is anyone curious as to why AD has broken out this season as a legit MVP candidate? It's not just because he's maturing physically, a lot of it has to do with Asik.
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:21 pm to pleading the fifth
We came into this season expecting the brick hands and lack of offense, we even had rocket fans (other than boom) post in here and tell us how great he is at rebounding and defense but he is super frustrating on offense. We knew what to expect, some people just jump on a bandwagon and don't know why we got/needed asik and it's mainly those people that I talk to that complain about him. When I talk with friends who have been fans for a while we all say it's frustrating and what not but we expect it, to us it's not a surprise, just a reality to deal with, like deandre Jordan and free throws, or dwade and three pointers, it's just something that's not gonna happen
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:47 pm to unibrownation
I am one of the main people that bash Asik on here. I don't like his game and I never will. He is a plodder that slows the game down and will never be a contributor on the offensive end. I watched this team go through the same thing with Chandler and then Okafor (constantly trying to figure out how to get offense out of the position). I know his game has value, but I don't like one way players. On the flip side of that, the praise he gets is mystifying.
This board praised the team for running off the best rebounding SF in the league and a legit top 10 defender for his position (wouldn't even offer him a minimum contract). But yet, we want to reward or glorify a Center for being pretty much being the same type of player. One guy a couple of posts above mine, even said Asik is the reason that Davis is thriving this year and a MVP candidate (?). That's just insane.
This board praised the team for running off the best rebounding SF in the league and a legit top 10 defender for his position (wouldn't even offer him a minimum contract). But yet, we want to reward or glorify a Center for being pretty much being the same type of player. One guy a couple of posts above mine, even said Asik is the reason that Davis is thriving this year and a MVP candidate (?). That's just insane.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:50 pm to brmark70816
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This board praised the team for running off the best rebounding SF in the league and a legit top 10 defender for his position (wouldn't even offer him a minimum contract).
A guy that no one wanted and got a minimum contract, and is probably playing in Europe next year. That guy?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:52 pm to brmark70816
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This board praised the team for running off the best rebounding SF
You want to talk about a frustrating player to watch...
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But yet, we want to reward or glorify a Center for being pretty much being the same type of player.
Because when a perimeter player can ignore a guy that is positioned on the perimeter, it screws up your spacing big time. When one center ignores another center, he's still within 5 feet of Asik unless Monty is running one of those dumb plays where he has the center out at the 3 point line as if any center will follow Stiemsma or Asik out there. Fortunately we haven't seen that play much with Asik, they ran it regularly with Stiemsma last year.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:54 pm to brmark70816
quote:me either bro, and I get called an idiot and a contrarian because of it, but I'm sticking to it
I don't like his game
I'd sacrifice some of his rim protection and rebounding for at least some small scraps of offensive ability in a heart beat
he's slow, he has terrible hands, he can't shoot free throws, he provides nothing on offense. nothing.
when he gets an offensive rebound it's 50/50 on if he can do anything with it. most of the time it's a brick or a blocked shot. he doesn't seem to be much of a low post passer.
i don't want to hear "he's not the problem". I know he's not. maybe we're not using him correctly, I don't know. but i do know i'm not sold on paying this dude big time money next year if this is what we're getting.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:If monty is the problem with Asik I'll eat my words. it's certainly very very possible.
Monty is running one of those dumb plays
I'm pretty skeptical of Asik so far though
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:59 pm to danman6336
Omer Asik is perfect compliment to AD IF this team had shooters at the wings.
He is an elite rim protector and rebounder. That has a LOT of value in this league. He takes tons of pressure off of Davis and allows him to do his thing at an even more elite level. His offensive game is very frustrating, but his D and Rebounding make him valuable.
Like I said, if this team had multiple shooters, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. A player like Jrue that is efficient and a very good defender, pared with two great outside shooters, a rim protector and board cleaner in Asik and a super elite player in Davis would be solid as frick.
The problem is we have major problems at the wing spots that make Asik's deficiencies glaring.
He is an elite rim protector and rebounder. That has a LOT of value in this league. He takes tons of pressure off of Davis and allows him to do his thing at an even more elite level. His offensive game is very frustrating, but his D and Rebounding make him valuable.
Like I said, if this team had multiple shooters, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. A player like Jrue that is efficient and a very good defender, pared with two great outside shooters, a rim protector and board cleaner in Asik and a super elite player in Davis would be solid as frick.
The problem is we have major problems at the wing spots that make Asik's deficiencies glaring.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:01 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I can understand this
The problem is we have major problems at the wing spots that make Asik's deficiencies glaring.
I'm not wanting to run the guy out of town yet. Just not sold on him at all.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:02 pm to danman6336
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If monty is the problem with Asik I'll eat my words.
He's not. Asik is doing exactly what he was brought in for, it's just ugly and flawed so you don't like it. If he was as good on offense as you think he should be while maintaining his defense/rebounding, he'd basically be a Marc Gasol max salary level player. I mean Gasol prior to this year, I just looked at his stats and he's really beasting.
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:08 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah, and we aren't getting a Marc Gasol. While everyone would love a Gasol, having a guy that compliments Davis like Asik does is fine.
Our problems are utterly and completely at the 2 and 3, and on the bench.
Get those fixed and you'll be fine with Jrue/AD/Asik.
Our problems are utterly and completely at the 2 and 3, and on the bench.
Get those fixed and you'll be fine with Jrue/AD/Asik.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:11 pm to danman6336
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If monty is the problem with Asik I'll eat my words. it's certainly very very possible.
there is no "problem" with asik. He is who he is and its who he was everywhere he's been. While I'll agree MW has his faults as a coach, he can't be blamed for bad hands and no explosion lol.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:21 pm to unibrownation
quote:He wasn't frustrating at all on offense because we all knew he sucks at it and will never get the ball to score. He'd either set ball screens or hand-off to guards and get in position to rebound.
We came into this season expecting the brick hands and lack of offense, we even had rocket fans (other than boom) post in here and tell us how great he is at rebounding and defense but he is super frustrating on offense.
That was perfectly fine. He was never expected to do anything but clean up around the glass on offense.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:24 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That was perfectly fine. He was never expected to do anything but clean up around the glass on offense.
That's because you had players surrounding him that worked. Not this shitshow roster.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:25 pm to brmark70816
quote:He does not slow the game down if you use him correctly. Two years ago Houston had the most uptempo offense in the league.
I am one of the main people that bash Asik on here. I don't like his game and I never will. He is a plodder that slows the game down and will never be a contributor on the offensive end. I watched this team go through the same thing with Chandler and then Okafor (constantly trying to figure out how to get offense out of the position). I know his game has value, but I don't like one way players. On the flip side of that, the praise he gets is mystifying.
Asik was so quick at grabbing the rebounding and getting it to the outlet man to spark quick transition buckets.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:26 pm to Fun Bunch
To me his mishaps on offense just seems like momentum changers.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:28 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That was perfectly fine. He was never expected to do anything but clean up around the glass on offense.
Which was awesome for your team, cause you didn't have anything else in your front court and were only paying him 5M a year. You keep praising the guy and saying how hard he plays. But your team only had him for a season, before they threw him on the market and did everything they could to get rid of him. Your GM got lucky and found someone to bail him out. If we would have waited a month, we could have gotten Asik for nothing. But Dell needed to make a splash..
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:28 pm to Gtothemoney
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To me his mishaps on offense just seems like momentum changers.
If you had complimentary shooters at the wing spots he wouldn't even get the ball on O except to clean glass
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:30 pm to brmark70816
He was the starter for 1 season, but it is my opinion that he was the most important player for the Rockets that year.
They would have lost more games missing Asik than missing Harden.
They would have lost more games missing Asik than missing Harden.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:31 pm to PrimeTime Money
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He was never expected to do anything but clean up around the glass on offense.
That's really all he's expected to do here. It's not like he's taking jumpers, but the ball is often getting dumped to him open under the basket and he doesn't have the explosion needed to score when the defense recovers. He also gets his hands on a lot of balls that he can't quite pull in. It's one of those things where the fans sitting at home say "I could have made that one." and then they get mad at him.
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