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re: Official Pelicans Free Agency Thread(Updated with transactions)
Posted on 7/9/14 at 6:28 am to LosLobos111
Posted on 7/9/14 at 6:28 am to LosLobos111
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 3h
Kevin Durant offered Carmelo Anthony a strong endorsement of Derek Fisher this week in L.A., where two stars have worked out, sources say.
Please choose NYK already
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 6:29 am
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 6:35 am to VOR
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Someone should make a small bet on Aminu, by the way. He can’t shoot and he’s sort of spacey at times, but he rebounds like a beast, runs the floor well, and plays hard on defense. He has shown flashes of improved passing and dribbling amid mostly harrowing on-ball play, and he can work as a stretch power forward.
From Lowe and I agree. Key phrase is "small bet." Can play with a stretch 4. Not for New Orleans because he isn't a traditional 3 and the Pels are rigid w/r/t positions, but he has useful skills.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 6:36 am to LosLobos111
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Melvin Ely
The Ely signing was the most clever move Demps has made. Just a great job of understanding the cap and exploiting it.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 6:49 am to corndeaux
I'm beginning to think the SF position this season will be filled by a) an aging veteran on his last legs but with the ability to contribute b) a young guy who hasn't shown much to date or c) by committee. In other words, no splashy signing. Just tied to or part of the necessary moves to accommodate Asik. All things considered, it would still be a decent off season (Asik), although some people will bitch about it.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:26 am to corndeaux
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He can’t shoot and he’s sort of spacey at times, but he rebounds like a beast, runs the floor well, and plays hard on defense.
About as concise as it can be said.
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Not for New Orleans because he isn't a traditional 3 and the Pels are rigid w/r/t positions, but he has useful skills.
Actually, I think he could be a nice fit next to Anderson and Withey with Evans off the court. He could give you real value as the 8th or 9th guy or so off the bench.
The problem is that he clashes badly in lineups with Evans and/or Asik. I think that will cut down his usefulness for us to below his market value. For a team that isn't going to be counting on big minutes from two guys you don't want shooting anything outside 8 feet, he can fill in nicely.
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:29 am to VOR
Absolutely.
I don't know how anyone can be sleeping on that move. Asik is huge for this team. When he's on the court, the defense, the area that has killed this team for 2 years, will be at a top 10 level. Any SF that can shoot and catch a basketball will do if you're surrounding him with Davis, Evans, Holiday, Gordon, Anderson.
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it would still be a decent off season (Asik), although some people will bitch about it
I don't know how anyone can be sleeping on that move. Asik is huge for this team. When he's on the court, the defense, the area that has killed this team for 2 years, will be at a top 10 level. Any SF that can shoot and catch a basketball will do if you're surrounding him with Davis, Evans, Holiday, Gordon, Anderson.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:34 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Actually, I think he could be a nice fit next to Anderson and Withey with Evans off the court. He could give you real value as the 8th or 9th guy or so off the bench.
I agree. We saw in the playoffs, it was all about matchups. He's a piece that can offer flexibility if teams go small.
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The problem is that he clashes badly in lineups with Evans and/or Asik
Team numbers with Evans and Aminu on the court and without Steamer are actually good on offense. The defense is a huge problem though. I could see small ball lineups based around Evans, Anderson, and Aminu working well in short spurts. You could even roll out Anderson, Davis, Aminu frontcourt and likely be okay.
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:38 am to VOR
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sik. All things considered, it would still be a decent off season (Asik), although some people will bitch about it.
I think people just remember the record and not making the playoffs.
We have a good team, when healthy. If we keep that same team, which looks like we will and add a really good center, we are going to make the playoffs this year, if we stay healthy. Big if.
we have a top 10 PG, a top 10 SG despite everyone hating him, a top 5 PF, a top 10, maybe fringe top 10, center now, and tyeke and ryno.
We have 6 guys that are really good. we just need a coach that can put them in positions to win games, and if he can't do that this year, if we are healthy, he needs to go.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:57 am to TeddyPadillac
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 7h
Updated Yahoo story on Michael Jordan delivering Gordon Hayward a max offer sheet for $63M: LINK
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:58 am to TeddyPadillac
If we have a top 10 SG on the roster it's Evans, not Gordon. Also, Holiday isn't a top 10 PG (more like 12-14). Ryno is a fringe top 10 PF. Asik is probably a top 12ish C.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:58 am to TigerinATL
Owners and GM's sometimes have trouble exhibiting self-control, it seems.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:14 am to corndeaux
It's a good move, as long as he resigns. He could easily walk next season in free agency no matter how, optimistic you may currently be. Then we would have gave up a draft pick for a one year rental. Trading all our first rounders every year is beyond stupid.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:16 am to danman6336
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While we're at it, can someone give me a well thought out and persuasive paragraph or so why I would want a Pelicans multi-year deal with PJ Tucker?
I don't know how I feel about PJ Tucker. On the one hand I think there's a bit of pelitard groupthink going on about him because McNamara has been beating the drum on this guy for 2 seasons. I'm not saying he's wrong, but I think most fans opinion of Tucker is largely based on information provided through the McNamara lens, because that's all most of us have seen on him.
On the other hand, we need a 3 and D SF, and Tucker both got All NBA Defensive Team votes:
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Tucker ranked 20th among players with 13 points in the voting (two first team votes and nine second team votes). Bledsoe finished 23rd with nine points (one first team vote and seven second team votes).
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And last year he was an ok 3 point shooter, 38.7% 3P% and 39.5% catch and shoot 3s.
However, Tom Ziller said something less than flattering about Tucker which pissed off Phoenix fans enough that Ziller wrote an article defending his comments:
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Suns fans said I'd ignored or been ignorant to Tucker's "big leaps on offense." Two things about those leaps:
1. The leap was from "completely useless player on offense" to "not a total lost cause on offense." That's usually only an endorsable rise for the league's very best defenders, which Tucker is not. And hence, the "of very little offensive use." He does one thing well on offense. One. And he does it relatively infrequently.
...Most of the rest of Tucker's offense was as bad or worse in 2013-14 as it had been in his only other NBA season with actual playing time (2012-13). Tucker shot worse at the rim and in the mid-range this season, and his two-point percentage went from 50 percent to 45 percent despite taking fewer of those shots. His usage is still in the "you're basically playing 4-on-5" zone at 14 percent. (Only one guy who played for Phoenix at all this season, Shavlik Randolph, had a lower usage rate than Tucker.) All of those offensive leaps got Tucker to ... 9.4 points per game on shooting that falls below league average.
So we have a guy who rarely shoots but is still worse than league average when he does.
...Tucker can hit the left corner three. He's a tough defender, though undersized at small forward. (Strong as an ox, though.) He's useful, but let's please not compare him to guys like Trevor Ariza.
Looking at his shot chart I see a lot of red
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I honestly don't know much about him other than what I've posted here, but I recently called him the Brian Roberts of SFs because their careers have followed similar paths of not cracking the league until 4-5 years overseas. All we need is a role player, and Tucker's limited skill set seems to line up with the skills we are looking for, but if he's good for us it's because of great fit, not great talent. One thing Demps has excelled at though is finding C and D level players that fit well enough to exceed what they've done previously in the league, so if he throws the full MLE at Tucker I'd be pretty comfortable with the decision.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:20 am to Peliclown
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It's a good move, as long as he resigns. He could easily walk next season in free agency no matter how, optimistic you may currently be. Then we would have gave up a draft pick for a one year rental.
Yep. But with Bird Rights, they should be able to bring him back at ~$10M/year. If they don't want him back, then something has gone terribly, horribly, disastrously wrong.
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Trading all our first rounders every year is beyond stupid
Yep. Though the Asik move is better management of picks than Holiday. Mid 1st for an elite defensive center is better value than 2 lottery picks for a good, not great pg.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:27 am to TigerinATL
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ecause McNamara has been beating the drum on this guy for 2 seasons
MM went after Ziller a bit on Twitter when Ziller posted the article you linked. MM is eager and he is better than he used to be, but he gets way too zealous. Often there's no middle ground for him.
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Trevor Ariza.
If people are worried about contract year Ariza, Tucker can easily fall into the same boat.
I wouldn't be comfortable tossing a MLE at Tucker with Asik on board. No Asik, sure. But whoever that SF is needs to be a bigger threat as a shooter.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:28 am to corndeaux
Ya I can handle the asik trade but the holiday one drives me nuts. So many people think that we gave up whatever the other teams drafted with our picks like noel/Peyton which is not the case. But having mcw or our choice in this year's draft instead... It's just a wtf on dell's part. Almost no offer would have made me give up this year's draft pick. Not to mention we could have probably easily moved up in the draft with a package including the 10th pick. I know people try and defend it just because they are pelicans fans but we got trade raped regardless of how Philly used our picks. Trying to skip the rebuild process really is kicking our arse right now. Without AD on this team I would be super pessimistic of our future.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 8:34 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:37 am to Peliclown
I don't hate the idea of moving picks for vets. But 6 and another first is a bit of an overpay to me. Holiday's good, but he's not that good.
Add in the Evans move (and subsequent misuse/injuries), then not moving Gordon and it is a bit baffling.
Add in the Evans move (and subsequent misuse/injuries), then not moving Gordon and it is a bit baffling.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:41 am to corndeaux
Hes good ya but one of those picks would have definitely turned out to be a good young pg. Not to mention holiday was an all-star on a trash eastern conference Philly team... No all-star in the West at least not yet. He no doubt has potential but will he ever be worth what we could have had potential wise... I'm not so sure.
Not arguing your points just frustrated with our general managers incompetence sometimes.
Not arguing your points just frustrated with our general managers incompetence sometimes.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:44 am to Peliclown
I didn't mind the trade, but that's just me.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:47 am to JayJay2
I'm not sure why it's even worth bringing up.
People are too in love with the allure of draft picks imo.
People are too in love with the allure of draft picks imo.
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