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re: Oden has narrowed down his choices to Pelicans, Heat
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:07 am to Jester
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:07 am to Jester
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No, I'm also concerned about how he would affect the cap and tax situations next year.
I can't see how it would have a major impact on our flexibility next year when it comes to signing a free agent. If Benson is willing to pay the tax, then I don't see how that effects the average fan.
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I'm also concerned about Oden being incapable of playing and taking up a roster spot that could be used for a healthy center of any kind.
We've already got that guy in Stiesma. Is another end of the bench guy really that more valuable than taking a gamble on Oden?
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:08 am to VermilionTiger
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I'm convinced you're just going to be an objective person just to be one.
Wait, are you implying that's a bad thing?
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You won't be happy if the pelicans somehow win a title
Keep your little personal attacks to yourself, douche.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:10 am to EarthwormJim
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If Benson is willing to pay the tax, then I don't see how that effects the average fan.
Okay, and if Benson is unwilling to pay the tax? Then I, the average fan, am affected.
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Is another end of the bench guy really that more valuable than taking a gamble on Oden?
There are more than 2 options in many of life's situations.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:18 am to Jester
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Okay, and if Benson is unwilling to pay the tax?
You think we are going after Oden or anyone else without Benson knowing the tax implications?
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Then I, the average fan, am affected.
How?
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There are more than 2 options in many of life's situations.
So give me some other alternatives then. If you don't like Oden because you don't think he can ever play again that is fine, but harping on his salary and the cap/tax implications doesn't really prove your point.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:20 am to Jester
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People are getting bedazzled by the upside and totally ignoring the downside.
I can agree with that. I'm not dazzled into thinking the promise the guy showed 6 years ago means a great deal right now, but I also don't see that much downside.
The money isn't irrelevant, but if it's a one year deal with a team option for year 2, I'm fine with that gamble. They have Withey and Steimsma. Oden would be the 3rd center and 5th big, not a starter or key piece.
Oden does have talent, even if he never fulfills the lofty expectations. It's not likely he stays healthy, but even at 15mpg for $3million, he is a better buy than minimum $$ for a sub replacement level big like Aldrich to be your 3rd string center.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:22 am to EarthwormJim
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If you don't like Oden because you don't think he can ever play again that is fine, but harping on his salary and the cap/tax implications doesn't really prove your point.
I've been pretty consistent about calling him damaged and or broken. That doesn't make the money/cap/tax irrelevant. It is part of the significant risk that people keep downplaying while playing up the "Shaq-esque" (lol) upside.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:24 am to Jester
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Jester
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:26 am to Jester
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I've been pretty consistent about calling him damaged and or broken. That doesn't make the money/cap/tax irrelevant. It is part of the significant risk that people keep downplaying while playing up the "Shaq-esque" (lol) upside.
The money isn't irrelevant, and the upside is a bit overblown at this point, but the monetary risk is clearly worth the reward.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 8:27 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:26 am to corndeaux
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The money isn't irrelevant, but if it's a one year deal with a team option for year 2, I'm fine with that gamble.
I really don't have a problem with that, either. However, the rumors and some fans' exuberance imply they will give up more. That's what I'm scared of happening.
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Oden does have talent, even if he never fulfills the lofty expectations.
No doubt. He has a sweet stroke and is definitely large. Can he defend the P&R on rickety knees, though?
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even at 15mpg for $3million, he is a better buy than minimum $$ for a sub replacement level big like Aldrich to be your 3rd string center.
How many games played, though? Will he be available every night? If not, can that affect chemistry?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:29 am to macatak911
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macatak911
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:30 am to Jester
oden bettet announce today, I'm sick of waiting
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:32 am to Jester
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Wait, are you implying that's a bad thing?
It is if you come off as a juvenile bitch with every single one of your post on this site.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:48 am to Jester
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However, the rumors and some fans' exuberance imply they will give up more. That's what I'm scared of happening.
I agree. Some people have lost their minds over Oden. It's the summer, it happens.
What comforts me is that Bynum didnt get 2 years guaranteed and he's only missed one season, not 5. I seriously doubt they go all in on Oden.
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How many games played, though? Will he be available every night? If not, can that affect chemistry?
Well if hes the 5th big, he's not a make or break player. If he's healthy and able (you are right that there is no guarantee he is able to play well), its a nice bonus. If not, he's still your 5th big and doesnt derail the teams' plans.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:53 am to Jester
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Can he defend the P&R on rickety knees, though?
as well as or better than Lopez? probably.
...the team has been in contact with him and has seen him play. They probably have a decent idea about his knees.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 8:55 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:16 am to VermilionTiger
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It is if you come off as a juvenile bitch with every single one of your post on this site.
I think you need to investigate the meaning of objective.Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:17 am to drake20
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..the team has been in contact with him and has seen him play.
No, they haven't seen him play. He won't be cleared to play until after someone signs him. Very convenient.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:23 am to Jester
We still aren't anywhere near the tax, good god quit arguing about it.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:24 am to Jester
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Are you really comparing Drew Brees to Greg Oden?
two big name players coming off major injuries choosing between Miami and New Orleans.
PELS SHIP ON LOCK
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:27 am to quail man
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choosing between Miami and New Orleans.
I completely missed that part.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:27 am to quail man
One was still far more proven than the other.
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