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re: Oden has narrowed down his choices to Pelicans, Heat
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:36 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:36 am to Epic Cajun
We were just talking two weeks ago how nice it would have been to have an extra few mil of Gordon's salary to put toward getting a better player with the few mil we already had left.
How quickly that is forgotten.
How quickly that is forgotten.
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:36 am to Elleshoe
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Step away from the keyboard, Jester. You sound moronic.
Okay, refute any single point I made there with any logical basis.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:39 am to Jester
I bet you were against the Brees signing.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:40 am to VermilionTiger
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Its a 2 year deal..with a team option on the 2nd year. It's not like the Pelicans are signing Peja and Posey all over again
You don't know if it is a 2 year deal with team options or a 4 year deal with all player options. We don't know what he is really being offered.
Either way, $3M is $3M, which could also be used on foreigners (Ayon was a nice find), buying draft picks, or even as part of a bigger salary in a year or two through a trade.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:40 am to rondo
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I bet you were against the Brees signing.
Are you really comparing Drew Brees to Greg Oden?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:40 am to Jester
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Okay, dumbass. Tom Benson has endless money and doesn't give a shite about $3M
He doesn't have an endless supply of money, but he no doubt has an idea of how much money he was going to spend on payroll. Giving Oden the cap room MLE would put payroll at around $63-$64 million. Anyone remember last year's payroll? I believe it was more in the $65-$66 million range. Either way, Benson/Loomis probably give Demps a range within which to work and Demps is the one who has to deal with the consequences of whether $3 million is wasted or not. This isn't coming out of Benson's pocket, it's coming out of Demps' budget. And it appears he's comfortable pursuing Oden, although we still have no clue how much he will actually offer.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 7:41 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:42 am to Jester
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which could also be used on foreigners (Ayon was a nice find), buying draft picks,
Just as much of a gamble of having an impact as signing Oden at this point.
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as part of a bigger salary in a year or two through a trade.
Like when Oden's contract would come off the books?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:44 am to Jester
I never said that.
But I bet you were against the Brees signing
But I bet you were against the Brees signing
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:45 am to TigerinATL
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This isn't coming out of Benson's pocket, it's coming out of Demps' budget.
Actually, both are true. Demps' budget is out of Benson's pocket. My larger point is that I'd bet that next year's budget is not independent of this year's budget. Just like anything else, saving now means more in the future.
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Giving Oden the cap room MLE would put payroll at around $63-$64 million. Anyone remember last year's payroll? I believe it was more in the $65-$66 million range.
How much of that payroll was spent on replacement players for injuries?
By the way, it's nice to have a rational discussion about this.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:45 am to rondo
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But I bet you were against the Brees signing
Pay up
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:47 am to EarthwormJim
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Like when Oden's contract would come off the books?
No, when his salary comes off the books, he still has the money. Also, his salary would not open any cap room by itself.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:52 am to rondo
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I never said that.
I said you compare Oden to Brees. I attributed no quote.
I'm clearly talking about Oden, when you bring up Drew Brees' signing. You are clearly making a connection between the two. Don't be a jackass.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:52 am to Jester
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No, when his salary comes off the books, he still has the money
So you're more concerned with Oden getting paid and not how it actually affects our cap?
Were you this upset about paying Rashard Lewis $14 million to not be a Hornet last year?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:54 am to Jester
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My larger point is that I'd bet that next year's budget is not independent of this year's budget. Just like anything else, saving now means more in the future.
I would wager that Benson lost millions on the team last year and he is still spending this summer. With a salary floor so high, NBA teams can't be the KC Royals.
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How much of that payroll was spent on replacement players for injuries?
That has to be an expected expense every year. Every team has injuries. Not accounting for that is stupid and I don't think Benson/Loomis/Demps are stupid.
Nothing wrong with not liking an Oden signing. But I don't think the $$ is a particularly good reason to be against the potential move
Edit: As long as they are under the luxury tax line, Benson will be paid out Oden's salary and then some by tax paying teams.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 7:58 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:54 am to Jester
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No, when his salary comes off the books, he still has the money.
Are you in Benson's will or something?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:56 am to EarthwormJim
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So you're more concerned with Oden getting paid and not how it actually affects our cap?
No, I'm also concerned about how he would affect the cap and tax situations next year. I'm also concerned about Oden being incapable of playing and taking up a roster spot that could be used for a healthy center of any kind.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:56 am to Jester
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How much of that payroll was spent on replacement players for injuries?
Irrelevant. When Benson bought the team the league average payroll was $66 million. I seriously doubt Benson is giving Demps any instruction regarding payroll at this point. Benson is known for letting his people run things, this is all on Demps IMO, maybe with a little input for Loomis. Again, we have yet to see what Demps will actually offer, other than Gordon and Tyreke, where the situations dictated you over pay, he's appeared to be a fairly skilled at getting good contracts, so this may be much ado about nothing. But it's coming out of Demps' Budget. Benson is pretty clearly in win now before I die mode, not see how big the money pile can get mode.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 7:58 am to Jester
I'm convinced you're just going to be an objective person just to be one.
You won't be happy if the pelicans somehow win a title
You won't be happy if the pelicans somehow win a title
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:02 am to corndeaux
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I would wager that Benson lost millions on the team last year and he is still spending this summer.
There will be an end to that generosity.
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With a salary floor so high, NBA teams can't be the KC Royals.
We will be nowhere near the salary floor in the near future regardless of Oden.
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That has to be an expected expense every year. Every team has injuries. Not accounting for that is stupid and I don't think Benson/Loomis/Demps are stupid.
I don't think they're stupid. I do think they're capable of making mistakes, though.
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Nothing wrong with not liking an Oden signing. But I don't think the $$ is a particularly good reason to be against the potential move.
Money is only part of it. However, there are a lot of people who want to believe that $$ is totally irrelevant, and I think you are wise enough to understand that isn't the case.
People are getting bedazzled by the upside and totally ignoring the downside.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 8:05 am to TigerinATL
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Again, we have yet to see what Demps will actually offer.
Definitely. Dell is usually pretty astute, so I think he's more rational in his assessment than most here.
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