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re: Non-Pels March thread
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:52 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:52 am to GOP_Tiger
There was a lot of BI for Scoot though because people are afraid of his next contract. I never understood the fit of Scoot and Zion. Even if Scoot was living up to expectations, he didn’t have the shooting ability to be what we need next to Zion.
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:50 am to TigerinATL
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There was a lot of BI for Scoot though because people are afraid of his next contract. I never understood the fit of Scoot and Zion. Even if Scoot was living up to expectations, he didn’t have the shooting ability to be what we need next to Zion.
The thought was/is he could be a Ja Morant, and even if he could improve to say 35% from 3, that would be good enough with his ability to break his man down and get to the rim.
His form looks good, and i'd expect him to be a good catch and shoot 3 point shooter in the future.
While i said the thought was he could be like Ja, he's not as explosive or as fast as Ja. Yes he's very athletic, and his long wingspan helps a lot, but when you watch the games where he's done well, he's doing more probing around with his defender on his hip more like SGA (without the back to the basket game).
His finishing at the rim is pretty good, but his finishing from just outside the restricted area is atrocious. 26% from 3-10' out.
And Scoot is a good bit bigger and stronger than he was in the G-League. He's probably gained 10 lbs in the last year and a half, and you can see him starting to learn how to use his strength when getting to the rim. He's 6-3" and around 205 now, which is about 30lbs more than Morant. His build is more like Jrue than Ja.
I still think Scoot has all-star potential, and i think he'd match up well with Zion running a PNR with him, assuming Willie would allow something like that to happen.
Would i trade BI for Scoot and Jerami Grant this offseason if we were to get bounced in the first round? probably not, but if i could trade CJ for him i would.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:57 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:I know I've said this before but...
The thought was/is he could be a Ja Morant,
I don't follow prospects at all, I just learn about dudes once I watch them in the NBA.
I watch Scoot and I still can't get someone to answer me as to why was Scoot's main comps dudes like Ja, Wall, and DRose?
He has never showed 1/10th of that level of athleticism in the NBA. Did he have that before the NBA? If so, where did it go and why is he all of a sudden much less athletic?
He's not in the same stratosphere as those dudes.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 11:18 am to shel311
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He's not in the same stratosphere as those dudes.
He really isn't.
and it's not that he's not athletic, he's just not anywhere near as quick and explosive as those guys.
He's 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan and a 46" vertical. I think they just assumed b/c of his measureables that he was comparable to those guys.
At no point have you seen him flying for a dunk like those guys. Doesn't mean he hasn't had nice dunks and finishes around the rim, but they simply aren't explosive like a Morant/Rose/Wall/Westbrook explosive dunk.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 2:27 pm to cgrand
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change in free throw attepts by team, since 01/31/24
Interesting indeed, league responding to non-physicality, compounded by shite show all-star game. Games likely are going to get increasingly physical. Pels have to play as the game is officiated, that'll allow increased ball pressure, more no-calls in driving lanes, and off-ball grabbing. Could be favorable for Pels with their defensive presence.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 2:28 pm to Pistol44
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Games likely are going to get increasingly physical. Pels have to play as the game is officiated, that'll allow increased ball pressure, more no-calls in driving lanes, and off-ball grabbing. Could be favorable for Pels with their defensive presence.
I'd argue that's bad for Zion, he already got a tech last game because of them swallowing whistles
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/12/24 at 2:38 pm to whatiknowsofar
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he already got a tech last game because of them swallowing whistles
There is allowing physicality then there is allowing defenders to just grab your arm nearly causing a turnover. Zion was 100% justified in getting that technical. He then proceeded to finish the game with 10 free throws. I have no problem with him letting the officials know when they blatantly miss a call.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:06 pm to ThePistol
I always thought Scoot was a bad idea. When your comp is Westbrook and you can't shoot...HARD PASS.
Never ever would I have considered trading Zion for him or even Ingram.
I was and am open to moving Ingram for the right piece.
We need to find the next guy like SGA. Not really his style, etc. but am up and coming dude that could be a star. Easier said than done.
Would the Pacers do a BI for Mathurin, salary filler and a pick deal? No idea if that even works cap wise.
But that's a rough idea of what I'd try to move BI for. A guy who has star potential.
Never ever would I have considered trading Zion for him or even Ingram.
I was and am open to moving Ingram for the right piece.
We need to find the next guy like SGA. Not really his style, etc. but am up and coming dude that could be a star. Easier said than done.
Would the Pacers do a BI for Mathurin, salary filler and a pick deal? No idea if that even works cap wise.
But that's a rough idea of what I'd try to move BI for. A guy who has star potential.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:28 pm to ghost2most
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Would the Pacers do a BI for Mathurin, salary filler and a pick deal? No idea if that even works cap wise.
what is the point of that?
You gonna trade a guy in the hopes the guy you trade for can one day be as good as the guy you let go?
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
The game ingram played last makes me want to pay him 50 mil, and he didn't even score 10 pts
He showed that he can playmake and be a good defender when his shot isn't falling, and if Z goes down he can take over and score more.
There's also been so many multiple 3pt make games from him off catch and shoot, and I think he can develop even more. Plus he actually wants to be here.
He showed that he can playmake and be a good defender when his shot isn't falling, and if Z goes down he can take over and score more.
There's also been so many multiple 3pt make games from him off catch and shoot, and I think he can develop even more. Plus he actually wants to be here.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
the other thing i have really liked from BI is his hustle for rebounds and loose balls.
That's not somethign you saw a lot from him in the past few years, but you've seen him saving balls going out of bounds and challenging for rebounds from behind a lot lately.
That's not somethign you saw a lot from him in the past few years, but you've seen him saving balls going out of bounds and challenging for rebounds from behind a lot lately.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I'd argue that's bad for Zion, he already got a tech last game because of them swallowing whistles
Zion will be fine, just want him to stop falling so much. New emphasis will penalize Zion on his drives less than say Harden on his drives, thought is the more ticky-tack fouls will be eliminated.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:53 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Not just last game, but at least since the All Star break.
The game ingram played last makes me want to pay him 50 mil, and he didn't even score 10 pts
He's doing the 2 or 3 things we've been asking for him to do for a long time now. It's a small sample but shows it can be done.
Those things are:
- Deferring to Zion as the clearcut #1. Seems that shift has been made
- Not being a ball stopper. He's not just pounding the air our of the ball the moment he gets it til there's 3 seconds on the shot clock multiple times per game. He's always going to play slowly but he's moving the ball much quicker.
- The middie. Pre AS break, something like 35% of his shots were in the midrange, meaning non paint and non 3s. Since the break, I think that number is below 25%. I don't know how to break it down even further but it also seems he's saving that part of his game specifically for the minutes where Zion is on the bench, which is fine
He's still not shooting the 3, so it's mainly him driving to the paint a lot more, which both the data and eye test shows.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:54 pm to shel311
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The game ingram played last makes me want to pay him 50 mil
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Not just last game, but at least since the All Star break
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shel311
Holy shite, shel is a Ingram stan!
Posted on 3/12/24 at 3:55 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Positive Shel though...
Holy shite, shel is a Ingram stan!
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:10 pm to shel311
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Positive Shel though...
Very true. I'm gonna have to start marking your shite unreadable.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:16 pm to whatiknowsofar
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The game ingram played last makes me want to pay him 50 mil, and he didn't even score 10 pts
Don’t see a huge difference in his play, he’s been good all year. I see more the ascension of Herb and lately TM3. Been multiple games where Zion and BI have had < 20 points and won. Husky and Slim are playmaking and Herb and TM3 are making it easy. Its really remarkable the leaps they’ve made.
Competition is about to level up (schedule) and hopefully Herb and TM3 continue their stellar play. Interplay between Zion and BI will continue to be matchup dependent.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:21 pm to shel311
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He's still not shooting the 3, so it's mainly him driving to the paint a lot more, which both the data and eye test shows.
He's shooting 38.5% on catch and shoot 3's this year.
in his last 15 games, he's shooting 50% on pull up 3's and 35% on C&S, and 40.4% overall from 3. He's only gone from 3.9 attempts per game to 4.0 in that time frame.
Here's a fun stat most of you won't like.
BI shoots turnaround fadeaway mid range shots at 53.2%. He's attempted 62 of them this year.
He's taken 84 fadeaway jumpers at 45.9%
He's taken 47 set jump shots mid range shots at 46.8%
He's taken 215 pull up jumpers from 2 at 50.6%
So his most effecient mid range shot is the turnaround fadeaway.
Remember that next time the game is tied and the clock is running out and BI takes a turnaround fadeaway after we already ran a play for Zion and it didn't work earlier in the shot clock.
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- The middie. Pre AS break, something like 35% of his shots were in the midrange, meaning non paint and non 3s. Since the break, I think that number is below 25%. I don't know how to break it down even further but it also seems he's saving that part of his game specifically for the minutes where Zion is on the bench, which is fine
for the season he is taking 34% of his shots from the mid range (which doesn't include inside the paint, as in just below the FT line)
He's taken 32% of them inside the paint, but outside the restricted area.
he hits from both of those areas at 47%.
He's taken 18% of his shots from the restricted area, hitting at a ridiculous 73%.
Last 15 games he's taken 30% from mid range hitting at 46%, 23% from inside paint hitting at 41%, 21% from restricted area and hitting at an insane 81%.
Since the all-star break, since you mentioned that, it's been 7 games.
He's taken 28% from mid range, 28% from inside the paint, and 21% from the restricted area. He's 20/21 from the restricted area in those 7 games.
He's been playing at an all star level really since about mid January.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
OKC had the game tied late 3rd and then the HC decided to bring in Mike Muscala. He played 1 minute and had a -6 +/-. That made me feel better about Willie Green. OKC will be 1 and done in the playoffs
Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:06 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Kawhi Leonard apparently injured tonight. Just shown actually leaving the arena while limping in the 2nd quarter.
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