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No Omer Asik bitch thread?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:35 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:35 am
Out rebounded Drummond and Monroe combined 13 to 10
Asik had as many offensive rebounds as detroits whole team (3)
Drummond came in averaging 14/15/2 over the last month. Went for 2/2/2 tonight
Asik had as many offensive rebounds as detroits whole team (3)
Drummond came in averaging 14/15/2 over the last month. Went for 2/2/2 tonight
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 1:42 am to GynoSandberg
I'm one to bitch about Asik, but only his offense. He is still horrible on the offensive side of the ball, but he definitely shut both of them down tonight. It is what it is I guess.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 3:04 am to KindaRaw
He wasn't god awful offensively tonight. He made some nice passes and hit FTs(which have been much better)
I'll take this asik anyday
I'll take this asik anyday
Posted on 1/15/15 at 7:11 am to LosLobos111
i do not get the deal with his hands..
but he is good on defense and rebounds well. He is just a big guy that is always in the way and he just rebounds not sure how but he does every game
but he is good on defense and rebounds well. He is just a big guy that is always in the way and he just rebounds not sure how but he does every game
Posted on 1/15/15 at 7:43 am to Split2874
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i do not get the deal with his hands..
but he is good on defense and rebounds well. He is just a big guy that is always in the way and he just rebounds not sure how but he does every game
I am starting to think that his hands are not strong enough. He needs to get them stronger ASAP because he could be a lot better offensively. That being said he is doing what he needs to do for this team. Rebound the ball and play defense.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 7:53 am to suavecito80
I don't know that hand strength is the issue. He does fine on rebounds. It's passes that he struggles with. He needs softer hands on passes and there really isn't a way to teach that. It all comes down to hand-eye coordination.
We need to get someone to throw rolls to him a la Sidekicks. It's a shame Mako passed away.
We need to get someone to throw rolls to him a la Sidekicks. It's a shame Mako passed away.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:00 am to Galactic Inquisitor
He still bobbled some rebounds away and got blocked on a dunk twice. But did make his ft's for a change.
He also almost throw the ball away twice on outlet passes b/c he has no awareness of his surroundings. Used to hate when my big men would do that. Settle down and pay attention.
We also gave him the ball in the post a few times for some dumb reason as if he had an offensive move to make.
I still don't want him, but he played decent last night.
He also almost throw the ball away twice on outlet passes b/c he has no awareness of his surroundings. Used to hate when my big men would do that. Settle down and pay attention.
We also gave him the ball in the post a few times for some dumb reason as if he had an offensive move to make.
I still don't want him, but he played decent last night.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:12 am to GynoSandberg
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No Omer Asik bitch thread?
Have you not seen his stone hands? Surely he has at least twice as many turnovers as comparable centers.
Through the magic of camera tracking we can easily find out how many times per game a player touches the ball LINK Divide the Turnovers per game by the Touches per game and you get a percentage of how often they turn the ball over per touch. I came up with a list of comparable centers, who we could replace Asik with or who some of us wish Asik was, and the only one with a better Turnover per Touch percent is Splitter.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:45 am to TigerinATL
Not particularly surprising because his drops aren't always credited as turnovers and his touches are really just holding the ball until somebody gets it. Obviously, somebody like Gasol who's trying to get himself and teammates in position for easy shots will turn it over more than somebody just holding the ball while his teammates run to position to start the offense.
And I'm the biggest Asik fan there is. His defense is incredibly valuable and his offensive woes are easily minimized by just accepting his limitations.
And I'm the biggest Asik fan there is. His defense is incredibly valuable and his offensive woes are easily minimized by just accepting his limitations.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:55 am to TigerinATL
Good shite as always.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:58 am to TheSexecutioner
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his drops aren't always credited as turnovers
Human error and subjectivity in stats tracking applies to all the other players on the list as well.
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Obviously, somebody like Gasol who's trying to get himself and teammates in position for easy shots will turn it over more than somebody just holding the ball while his teammates run to position to start the offense.
Gasol is obviously not the same type of center as the rest of the list, but the point is we are overreacting and the grass isn't nearly as green on the other side as people think. Now his getting blocked so easily and relatively low percentage at the rim is a problem and probably the only way to get away from it is to avoid it and play to his strengths like you're talking about.
The past several games we've seen a lot more of the high post dribble sideways and pass to the baseline for an easy basket. Let his touches be more of that and less of having to bail out a penetrating guard and people won't have as much to complain about.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:26 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:31 am to TigerinATL
80% of his rebounds are with no one around. I know there is a contested rebound statistic, but I don't buy it. He struggles rebounding in traffic. Especially if he's fending off another player.
I will say I don't think it has anything to do with his hand strength. When he palms the ball, it looks like he's holding a semi-soft.
When I went to the Wizards game, I particularly watched Omer in warm ups. He's has a nice touch around the rim (when no one was guarding him). Idk what it is when he gets in the game and becomes the clumsiest dude we've ever seen?
I will say I don't think it has anything to do with his hand strength. When he palms the ball, it looks like he's holding a semi-soft.
When I went to the Wizards game, I particularly watched Omer in warm ups. He's has a nice touch around the rim (when no one was guarding him). Idk what it is when he gets in the game and becomes the clumsiest dude we've ever seen?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:47 am to Gtothemoney
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80% of his rebounds are with no one around. I know there is a contested rebound statistic, but I don't buy it.
"Get off of my lawn with those fancy cameras!"
A computerized eye test that looks at literally every second of play with criteria, not bias. Or your eye test on the moments in a game that stand out to you. We're all going to be replaced by computers sooner or later G.
The criteria for a contested rebound is a defender within 3.5 feet. It'd be great if we could set our own criteria maybe the figure is 80% if you go down to 2 feet, but at 3.5 feet he gets 4.6 contested rebounds per game vs. 5.4 uncontested or 54%. 4.6 is 10th in the league, so applying the same criteria to every player, he gets the 10th most "contested" rebounds. I could be wrong, but I don't think if you changed the criteria to say 2 feet that he'd fall that far on the list, but I would agree with you in that based on my own eye test I doubt he would go up in rank.
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:49 am to TigerinATL
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"Get off of my lawn with those fancy cameras!"
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:53 am to TigerinATL
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The criteria for a contested rebound is a defender within 3.5 feet
Not really contested, IMO. My definition of contested is if more than one person is going for the same rebound. 3.5 feet? Really?
ETA. I get what you're saying about moving it to 2 feet. That'd be more accurate.
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:54 am to Gtothemoney
You're not at the top of the league in rebounding if you struggle rebounding in traffic. Sorry, you're just not
Looks like he's not the only big struggling wth TO. Marc gasol is as fundamental as they come.,, survey says!
Looks like he's not the only big struggling wth TO. Marc gasol is as fundamental as they come.,, survey says!
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:59 am to Gtothemoney
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3.5 feet? Really?
That's what it says when you hover over the category header. The question is how did they arrive at that. Considering the size of the larger than average humans we're talking about, 3.5 feet seems like it'd be in the ball park of the width of an NBA player. So having a defender less than the one person away being contested doesn't seem crazy. But I do agree that when he's in "traffic" he rarely seems to hold onto the ball.
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:01 am to TigerinATL
Put asik on the jugs at the Saints facility. He literally should do nothing but that all offseason.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
I wonder where the 3.5 starts from. Shoulders, arms, or center of mass?
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