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Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:05 pm to LSUgrad88
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How could he have made the same trade to move up form 23 to 13 when the three teams you mentioned did not have the 13th pick? Its not an apples to apples comparison.
He's saying that teams #9,#10,#11, and #12 turned down the offer. It wasn't offered starting at #13.
So that says it wasn't that much of a trade rape if (4) teams passed on it. It also says that the talent in that group was worth the pick > trading it. It also says that we had Queen top 10 on our board.
How many times do people have to lay this out? Y'all legit can't be convinced otherwise its pointless. But at the same time y'all are here whining. Why waste your time being miserable?
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:11 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't see any of the (3) team between Pels, MIL, IND missing the playoffs. If they do it would be like #12 or #13.
I agree about Milwaukee and Indiana. Wish I was as confident as you about the Pels not missing the playoffs. And if we do and its "like #12 or #13", it could still end up being the No. 1 pick (happened this year). I'm sure Atlanta made the trade feeling its likely the Pelicans will be a play-in level team (which seems about right if we avoid catastrophic injury luck). So that means they would generally expect it to be a pick around 10-13. Which is why I believe Atlanta would have still made the trade with a Top 4 or Top 5 protection on it.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:17 pm to LSUgrad88
According to McNamara, who has ATL connections, we offered Atlanta a top 10 protected 2026 pick with 23 a few days before the draft. I like to assume it dropped to top 4 protected and ATL still wasnt biting. But who knows. Queen better be good
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:20 pm to Macintosh
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According to McNamara, who has ATL connections, we offered Atlanta a top 10 protected 2026 pick with 23 a few days before the draft. I like to assume it dropped to top 4 protected and ATL still wasnt biting. But who knows. Queen better be good
At some point you need to walk away if the other team isn’t being reasonable. Like you said, let’s hope we stay healthy and Queen is good. We’re pot committed now.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:30 pm to LSUgrad88
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I agree about Milwaukee and Indiana. Wish I was as confident as you about the Pels not missing the playoffs.
Like I said above, I'm not worried because if we miss the playoffs then we are going to trade Z, Herb, and whoever else and get back several 26' picks + other stuff.
We already know those are the scenarios so why not just enjoy a no pressure season that we already have the solution for either way? Either it works and it was worth it or it doesn't work and we have to rebuild anyway along with getting more picks than we had in the first place.
Worst case scenario is we finally move on from Zion which 80% of the board wants anyway and is ok with that. And best case scenario we are competing with Zion which is what 100% of the board hopes to see. Either of the scenarios puts us in a better place than we have been since before Boogie tore his achilles 10+ years ago.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:34 pm to Dantheman504
Agreed. If we don’t make the playoffs this year, I think it’s time to trade Zion and Willie Green is fired.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:36 pm to Dantheman504
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Worst case scenario is we finally move on from Zion which 80% of the board wants anyway and is ok with that.
And we will be doing it without the benefit of a 2026 lottery pick...
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:39 pm to Dantheman504
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Like I said above, I'm not worried because if we miss the playoffs then we are going to trade Z, Herb, and whoever else and get back several 26' picks + other stuff.
If we miss the playoffs, that means Zion missed a ton of time, and it’s highly unlikely we getting back much if anything for him.
And we won’t have our pick next year. And we trade our most popular player just to get something of value? Not a good scenario if things go south.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:47 pm to Townedrunkard
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that means Zion missed a ton of time, and it’s highly unlikely we getting back much if anything for him.
Theres teams that absolutely have an "i can fix him" attitude with Zion and give up major assets to get him
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:53 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Don't think that's actually a fair formulation.
More accurate to say we took our (potential) 2026 lottery pick a year early, at the cost of the 23rd pick.
Essentially, if Queen goes back to Maryland and comes out in 2026 do you think he projects as a top-10 pick? If so, then it was an aggressive trade but not crazy--no more so than if you had packaged your 1st rounders to trade up and get him next year.
Could you miss? Sure. But that's true of any pick you make this year or next. The real issues are could the Pels have hedged their risk more by getting protections on the pick or waiting on the Indiana pick swap until after the end of the finals? That would have been better. And maybe the value of the picks would have been better spent on a trade for an established player. Again, that's a question you can ask with any draft pick.
Bottom line: If you think Queen is a top-10 guy this year or next, then it's not a crazy move. If you don't, then it was an irresponsible gamble...
More accurate to say we took our (potential) 2026 lottery pick a year early, at the cost of the 23rd pick.
Essentially, if Queen goes back to Maryland and comes out in 2026 do you think he projects as a top-10 pick? If so, then it was an aggressive trade but not crazy--no more so than if you had packaged your 1st rounders to trade up and get him next year.
Could you miss? Sure. But that's true of any pick you make this year or next. The real issues are could the Pels have hedged their risk more by getting protections on the pick or waiting on the Indiana pick swap until after the end of the finals? That would have been better. And maybe the value of the picks would have been better spent on a trade for an established player. Again, that's a question you can ask with any draft pick.
Bottom line: If you think Queen is a top-10 guy this year or next, then it's not a crazy move. If you don't, then it was an irresponsible gamble...
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:53 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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And we will be doing it without the benefit of a 2026 lottery pick
We aren't going to be bottom 8 and probably not bottom 10 even with Zion out.
So you are talking about being upset we trade #10-#14 for a guy that we had on our board at #7-#13.
Even if Zion is out I'm betting on the team playing well while y'all expect us to be dogshit either way. The way we are building this team is a direct path away from relying on Zion...
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:04 pm to Dantheman504
I’m on the optimistic side like you. But I can see why people are pessimistic because of Dumar’s history. At least we aren’t running back the squad from last year. I see a lot of improvements from this roster. The more I read on Queen and Fears, it shows me that they should be solid players. Queen isn’t a bad defender, he has amazing feet, he’s just doesn’t show effort. Which I hope changes in the pros.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:10 pm to Dantheman504
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So you are talking about being upset we trade #10-#14 for a guy that we had on our board at #7-#13.
And an additional 1st.
Also what about if the lottery falls and our pick ends #1?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:13 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I still think Giannis stays one more year then bolts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:17 pm to Soggymoss
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Also what about if the lottery falls and our pick ends #1?
What if we win a championship this year? Anything could happen this year. Its a perfect 50/50 split between could go great and could go terrible. What we do know is that Dumars isn't scared to take chances, Dumars doesn't have any attachment to Zion, Herb, etcc, and Dumars is building a team in spite of Zion instead of for Zion. So if everything else is 50/50 on negative positive and all (3) of those things are 100% positive then why choose to be so pessimistic?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:18 pm to Soggymoss
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Also what about if the lottery falls and our pick ends #1?
the top 4 in this upcoming are just as hyped and potentially better than Flagg. Flagg may be better defensively but offensively Dybantsa, Boozer, Peterson have more potential.
I’ll go on record and say Flagg wouldn’t go #1 in this upcoming draft. Maybe not even 2
The top 10 seems legit tbh but top 3 have all nba potential
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:23 pm to Macintosh
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the top 4 in this upcoming are just as hyped
And this could also be completely meaningless for us. There is still a world where NONE of MIL/ IND/ Pels are in the lottery and yet everyone just wants to ignore that.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:24 pm to Dantheman504
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:27 pm to Fun Bunch
It puts him in prime position to rehab and then take a deal with a team that puts him in the right position rather than rush a return to Milwaukee or sign with the highest bidder.
Whether there IS a team willing to take a flyer on an older guard coming back from an Achilles is another matter.
Whether there IS a team willing to take a flyer on an older guard coming back from an Achilles is another matter.
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