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re: Moving to the offseason
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:20 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:20 pm to TigerinATL
We have been cursed to be mediocre since the beginning of this franchise.
We have said it's "make or break" for 3 YEARS and we haven't even seen this team make it past the 1st rd of the playoffs.
And yall want to seriously fricking sit here and talk about RETAINING players to go into the tax?
Absolute lala land
We have said it's "make or break" for 3 YEARS and we haven't even seen this team make it past the 1st rd of the playoffs.
And yall want to seriously fricking sit here and talk about RETAINING players to go into the tax?
Absolute lala land
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:21 pm to PELsu
quote:Well I'll be darned.
More likely than not……WILL be picked up.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:22 pm to shel311
quote:
Are you a Pels fan? Because you just described the Pels entire history as a franchise
But we all went after Shinn hard when he tried to make up an injury for Tyson so he could salary dump him for Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith.
In the time since the NBA takeover, I like to believe each season we showed we were building towards something. It's fair to say with the moves we made that we tried to go all-in in the AD era. This offseason will truly be the first time in the Zion era where Gayle will have to prove to us that she is serious about winning. If we refuse to go above the tax strictly for the sake of not going above the tax, then y'all have fun wasting your time following this team.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:23 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
The bigger problem. At the trade deadline, you are now truly forced to make a decision between BI and Trey.
So the Pelicans can definitely kick the can down the road up til 2025's trade deadline. However you then would be selling at a loss and the whole NBA knows it.
Yep, that's exactly what the raptors just did with siakam and all they got was 3 shitty 1sts and bruce brown.
You HAVE to either trade BI or Trey this summer or give them both extensions, be willing to pay the tax and move one later if need be.
Otherwise, you have no leverage in a trade and will be forced to sell for pennies on the dollar
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:23 pm to Broski
quote:IMO you can't ever say a team truly "went all in" in an era they did not pay the tax.
It's fair to say with the moves we made that we tried to go all-in in the AD era.
My question would be, went all in for what exactly?
Here's the logic trail...
If you ain't trying to win a title, you didn't go "all in"
If you are trying to win a title, you HAVE to pay the tax.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:24 pm to 50_Tiger
We need Dray
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:24 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Looping back to the original thesis of the topic. There is one way the Pelicans can retain the entire current team for one more year. However, its a gigantic gamble. Pick up Trey's option Pick up DD's option Pick up Jose's option Total 150.1M Center (JV? 12-15M) 162M Gives you 10M to sign other 1 year contracts. The bigger problem. At the trade deadline, you are now truly forced to make a decision between BI and Trey. So the Pelicans can definitely kick the can down the road up til 2025's trade deadline. However you then would be selling at a loss and the whole NBA knows it.
But why? My expectation is that we pick up those options and either resign Jonas or another center in MLE territory. With our first round pick, we should still be under tax if no other major changes.
I think we extend Brandon this offseason, but it won’t kick in until after next season. Trey will be a restricted FA and I assume we will play that out until the following offseason. At that point we will have more information and either it has worked itself out or we could make moves with CJ or Bi. But again, that’s after next season. We are in pretty good shape honestly.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:25 pm to Broski
quote:
Gayle will have to prove to us that she is serious about winning.
You actually think she cares seriously whether Pelicans and even the Saints are serious about winning? She’s barely involved with this team other than giving them hugs after wins.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:26 pm to Balsamic_duck
Agreed.
I was even looking at two years out and in theory you kept both:
Lets say Trey 27 / BI 55
Thats 82M in new salary and you have on the books for that year 98.8M which is 180.8M and you now have no Starting or Backup Center on the team. Plus a littany of other spaces needing to be filled.
I kept trying to tell you guys this but
I was even looking at two years out and in theory you kept both:
Lets say Trey 27 / BI 55
Thats 82M in new salary and you have on the books for that year 98.8M which is 180.8M and you now have no Starting or Backup Center on the team. Plus a littany of other spaces needing to be filled.
I kept trying to tell you guys this but
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:26 pm to shel311
I think we made the move for Boogie in hopes that bringing in AD's buddy would compel him to sign a supermax, putting us in the tax.
Rug got pulled out from under us with that one.
Rug got pulled out from under us with that one.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:27 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
Yep, that's exactly what the raptors just did with siakam and all they got was 3 shitty 1sts and bruce brown. You HAVE to either trade BI or Trey this summer or give them both extensions, be willing to pay the tax and move one later if need be. Otherwise, you have no leverage in a trade and will be forced to sell for pennies on the dollar
You do not need to extend Trey this offseason, and BI’s extension won’t be in effect next season. None of those things are issues.
The Raps problem was they didn’t want to give max money to either pending UFA. If we don’t want to give max money to BI, then yes we should trade him this offseason. But I think they do.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
You actually think she cares seriously whether Pelicans and even the Saints are serious about winning? She’s barely involved with this team other than giving them hugs after wins.
If you truly believe this to be the case, you should be at the games holding up "sell the team" signs.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:27 pm to PELsu
quote:
But why? My expectation is that we pick up those options and either resign Jonas or another center in MLE territory. With our first round pick, we should still be under tax if no other major changes.
I think we extend Brandon this offseason, but it won’t kick in until after next season. Trey will be a restricted FA and I assume we will play that out until the following offseason. At that point we will have more information and either it has worked itself out or we could make moves with CJ or Bi. But again, that’s after next season. We are in pretty good shape honestly.
Look to my last post.
MLE is 12.5 million. You still are having to make a decsion.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:29 pm to 50_Tiger
Why if you understand all this, staying put this deadline made absolutely no sense in my opinion. They really didn’t help themselves at all. Even fringe moves to go all in this year would make sense- since it might show ownership this team can get out of first round and is ready to go into tax. Or you make moves so you can afford the upcoming salary extensions like trading JV or others.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:29 pm to 50_Tiger
12.5 doesn’t put us into tax, and I’m not sure we even try to avoid the tax next season. So what do you mean?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:30 pm to Broski
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If you truly believe this to be the case, you should be at the games holding up "sell the team" signs.
Nah man I have to work and have a family its not that serious. It pisses me off but I don’t live in nola- and even if I did wouldn’t care to do this. It never makes a difference.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:31 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Thats 82M in new salary and you have on the books for that year 98.8M which is 180.8M and you now have no Starting or Backup Center on the team. Plus a littany of other spaces needing to be filled.
I kept trying to tell you guys this but ?
Yeah no shite. It's sad really that our fans can't understand this while also fully wanting to go all in on it without even winning a playoff series.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:31 pm to PELsu
12.5M is the non tax payer MLE
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Technically 13M next year. You mentioned signing JV to the MLE. Thats 13M
The Pelicans would be sitting at 163M (172M is the tax apron next year). You still have 3 bench roles to fill. So while for the fiscal year they will be under the tax, the problem becomes 2025-26 where since you decided to die on the vine, you now are selling one of your most prized possesions at a loss.
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Technically 13M next year. You mentioned signing JV to the MLE. Thats 13M
The Pelicans would be sitting at 163M (172M is the tax apron next year). You still have 3 bench roles to fill. So while for the fiscal year they will be under the tax, the problem becomes 2025-26 where since you decided to die on the vine, you now are selling one of your most prized possesions at a loss.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:34 pm to 50_Tiger
Not to mention in 2 years you are dealing with a 33 year old JV.
Our options are truly limited. Its almst imperative you sign JV this offseason just to have some salary to trade.
Our options are truly limited. Its almst imperative you sign JV this offseason just to have some salary to trade.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:36 pm to 50_Tiger
Not necessarily. It's just the simple fact that we can't keep everyone lolol.
That's straight up not a realistic answer on here that some can comprehend
That's straight up not a realistic answer on here that some can comprehend
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