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re: Moe Harkless: Revisited
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:30 pm to KG5989
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:30 pm to KG5989
quote:
What would you rather have:
AD + Jefferson / Pek + Ryno off the bench still getting +25 minutes
Or
AD + Lopez + Ryno
I'll take option 1 all day.
Well, hell, I had no idea there were only two options...
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:31 pm to KG5989
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And technically he is a PF, but come on. He's a 3.
Negatory.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:32 pm to Jester
D league doesn't always mean you're terrible
It's a minutes thing a lot of the time
It's a minutes thing a lot of the time
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:32 pm to Jester
Are we not hypothetically talking about what would happen to Ryno if we get the addition of a big name C?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:34 pm to MrPappagiorgio
quote:
12apg > 9.2apg
Except that Marshall is nowhere close to 12 assists per game.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:35 pm to danman6336
it's sometimes difficult to force up-and-coming starters into bench, 20 MPG roles...They don't like it, and it doesn't work out long term.
If you don't like Ryno, the Jefferson/Pek plan is great...but if you do, that's not the best route. I value Anderson and his skill set more than Jefferson/Pek.
JMO
If you don't like Ryno, the Jefferson/Pek plan is great...but if you do, that's not the best route. I value Anderson and his skill set more than Jefferson/Pek.
JMO
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:35 pm to KG5989
quote:
What would you rather have:
AD + Jefferson / Pek + Ryno off the bench still getting +25 minutes
Or
AD + Lopez + Ryno
I'll take option 1 all day.
That's not really the choice though. What you are really choosing from is more like:
Lopez for Pek/AlJeff
Aminu for Evans
Vasquez for Jennings
Wait until next year
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:36 pm to danman6336
quote:
D league doesn't always mean you're terrible
No, but it does mean that you probably aren't a legit lottery pick.
quote:
It's a minutes thing a lot of the time
Definitely. That's why we sent our second round pick down there.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:37 pm to Jester
That was a play on danman's reasoning on why Gragic is better than Gordon from yesterday, damnit
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:37 pm to drake20
I like Ryno a lot too. Great scorer and shooter. But look at it from a team perspective. We would be better with Jefferson or Pek at C and having Ryno off the bench playing 25 minutes a night. Not like he would be getting scrub minutes. Plus, having 2 legit post players would free up the perimeter for Ryno to drain 3s all day long.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:37 pm to Toula
quote:
Al Jeff is a perfect compliment to Davis, IMO.
What? He is having a great year with a basic offensive game next to Lopez. Unless you believe he wont add to his offensive game, how does a post anchor, clogging the lane and taking touches from him compliment him over the next 4 years?
How would you play Anderson and Jefferson- 2 of your top 4 players- together without getting lit up?
Davis needs a center who can defend, board, and take advantage of the open shots Davis will create for him.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:38 pm to MrPappagiorgio
quote:Which wasn't what I was saying with all that > stuff
That was a play on danman's reasoning on why Gragic is better than Gordon from yesterday
But whatever
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:39 pm to KG5989
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Off the bench and still would average 25+ minutes a night. And he would thrive in that role. He's suited perfectly for an off the bench scorer. I would rather have a good C paired with AD than Ryno. I'm a huge Ryno fan, but its not like he's an elite game changer. Great shooter and scorer. Liability on defense. And technically he is a PF, but come on. He's a 3.
I disagree with everything here...there wouldn't be 25+ to be had...His uncommon ability on the offensive end at his position is a game changer...He's not a 3 (at all).
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:40 pm to danman6336
quote:
Well that's only a problem if you have too many good players to pass minutes around
Lopez isn't very good, so it's no problem. Just sit him.
Lopez is a good 3rd big
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:43 pm to MrPappagiorgio
quote:
That was a play on danman's reasoning on why Gragic is better than Gordon from yesterday, damnit
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:44 pm to KG5989
quote:
What would you rather have:
AD + Jefferson / Pek + Ryno off the bench still getting +25 minutes
+ no cap space/upgrades at other positions + trading Anderson
Or
AD + Lopez + Ryno
I'll take option 1 all day.
FIFY
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:45 pm to drake20
You would play guys like Gordon, Davis, and (insert center; doesn't have to be big name. Blatche would work) 30+ mpg. All good offensive options, none liabilities on defense.
Address your need at SF by adding a guy who can stretch the floor and won't break the bank (Parsons? Buddinger? Tobias Harris? Dorrel Wright?)
Add a good, pass first PG to help set these guys up. Through the draft? (Burke? Smart? MCW?)
Now you have GV as insurance backing up a rookie PG. Ryno who can spell a still young Davis, as well as add flexibility in lineups where Davis plays C. Lopez is a 7', legit backup center. Rivers who could backup both guard positions. Fill the rest of the bench with those cheap guys who tap Monty on the waist.
In theory you don't hand out a max deal in this scenario. You can keep that in your back pocket.
Address your need at SF by adding a guy who can stretch the floor and won't break the bank (Parsons? Buddinger? Tobias Harris? Dorrel Wright?)
Add a good, pass first PG to help set these guys up. Through the draft? (Burke? Smart? MCW?)
Now you have GV as insurance backing up a rookie PG. Ryno who can spell a still young Davis, as well as add flexibility in lineups where Davis plays C. Lopez is a 7', legit backup center. Rivers who could backup both guard positions. Fill the rest of the bench with those cheap guys who tap Monty on the waist.
In theory you don't hand out a max deal in this scenario. You can keep that in your back pocket.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:46 pm to drake20
Well he's not really a 4. He's the ultimate tweener. He's a 6'10 perimeter shooter that can't defend. His scoring ability is a game changer, I retract my previous statement.
And why wouldn't there be 25 minutes to be had?? Aminu averages 25 a night now. Rivers averaged 23 minutes before he went down. We could make it work and we would be a better team with the addition of a big time FA center. Not to mention the possibility of getting a good player in the draft at the 1 or 3.
And why wouldn't there be 25 minutes to be had?? Aminu averages 25 a night now. Rivers averaged 23 minutes before he went down. We could make it work and we would be a better team with the addition of a big time FA center. Not to mention the possibility of getting a good player in the draft at the 1 or 3.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:47 pm to corndeaux
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What? He is having a great year with a basic offensive game next to Lopez. Unless you believe he wont add to his offensive game, how does a post anchor, clogging the lane and taking touches from him compliment him over the next 4 years?
How would you play Anderson and Jefferson- 2 of your top 4 players- together without getting lit up?
Davis needs a center who can defend, board, and take advantage of the open shots Davis will create for him.
It's also worth noting that pick and roll defense is our Achilles tendon. We just cannot stop teams down the stretch if they have a top wing isolating on Vasquez in the pick and roll. Thus, to improve, we really need to bring in somebody to play opposite Vasquez that is not terrible in the pick and roll. Jefferson is terrible in the pick and roll for many of the same reasons Lopez is. He tries to anchor a foot in the lane, so he ends up in no mans land rather than either staying home on the big or hedging the pick. He does neither and gets burnt. Jefferson does the same thing, but he does look a little more menacing doing it.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 4:49 pm to KG5989
quote:
I like Ryno a lot too. Great scorer and shooter. But look at it from a team perspective. We would be better with Jefferson or Pek at C and having Ryno off the bench playing 25 minutes a night. Not like he would be getting scrub minutes. Plus, having 2 legit post players would free up the perimeter for Ryno to drain 3s all day long.
Ryno, Davis, and Jefferson would never be in at the same time.
...still don't see where you're getting all these hypothetical minutes from.
Davis will be logging big minutes next season (at least I hope so).
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