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Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:21 pm to DeionDeion
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the question is how much effort from the Pels side needs to go into Lonzo to get him to being the player that we keep at least through another contract? and at what point is that investment too steep?
I wouldn't think too hard about keeping through his next contract. These deals are so short; roster continuity is a thing of the past. This is where having a smart organization that is well staffed in scouting/player development and is aligned with what the coach is doing on the floor is an edge.
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n New Orleans, a situation that already BI, Zion, NAW, and Hayes to develop along with a trove of future draft picks
there just isn't an infinite amount of time and resources
Same thing with some of those guys. Most won't be here for 5 years, forget a decade. I do think the Pels will look to turn draft picks into actual players or try to continue flipping them for more picks a la Belichik
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And if I'm Griff, I'd be having convos with Lonzo to see where his head is.
Yup. Talk to him, talk to his agent, talk to the coaches. Have the coaches talk to him. This is all bs from me, but I never got the feeling that Lonzo was a diva; he doesn't really seem to crave the spotlight on the court. We'll just have to see how it goes
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:34 pm to corndeaux
Lonzo got a retroactive triple double after getting credited for 2 assists.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:10 pm to carrguitar
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Lonzo shutting you mfkers up., by carrguitar
I think the biggest takeaway from what they are doing with Lonzo is creating floor space for Zions return
Teams are giving him oodles of space. They quite literally don't defend him. He's hitting his shots but that's a gamble every team will live with every time. Because even if he hits them, it takes your actual offense out of rhythm because you are compelled to find him
Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:00 am to quail man
It's quite remarkable what Lonzo has been able to do with his 3 ball
Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:52 am to Pelefraan 1
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It's quite remarkable what Lonzo has been able to do with his 3 ball
I usually think coaches get too much praise and too much blame, but what Fred Vincent has done with Lonzo, BI's, and hopefully Zion's shot is remarkable
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:31 am to 504Voodoo
I see a few posters in here trying to discredit what he's done. I think that he's actually trying to play smarter and takes much better shots. Yes, they aren't defending him on the perimeter, but so what. And against the Rockets, his shots were mostly as a result of great ball movement. He took one deeper when the defender when over a screen. His shot selection has been much better over the last 7 games. I'd like to see it continue, obviously, but this isn't just about defenders leaving him open.
Also, his drive and kick-out was working because he got to the rim a few times and scored. He is playing with command of the offense and a ton of confidence. I like it.
Also, his drive and kick-out was working because he got to the rim a few times and scored. He is playing with command of the offense and a ton of confidence. I like it.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:33 am to P bean
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This whole board this summer couldnt stop talking about Ball being a future alllstar, 2nd pick of the draft etc.
you mean while you were talking up Etwuan Moore as being more valuble than Ball and the "big minutes" he was gonna get
read MORE and post LESS!
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:43 am to 504Voodoo
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I usually think coaches get too much praise and too much blame, but what Fred Vincent has done with Lonzo, BI's, and hopefully Zion's shot is remarkable
Our shooting coaches have to be some of the best in the league.
AD, Gordon, Evans, Lonzo, Ingram, and even guys like Cunningham, we really have demonstrated quite the capacity for improving players jump shots if they are willing to put in the work and accept the coaching.
It gives me hope that Zion and Hayes will be able to fix their hitches and form and find a path to being efficient jump shooters.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:44 am to 504Voodoo
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I usually think coaches get too much praise and too much blame, but what Fred Vincent has done with Lonzo, BI's, and hopefully Zion's shot is remarkable
Fred Vinson
let’s also recall what he did for pondexter and most especially, tyreke evans. Evans was a non-shooter when he got here, when he left he was a legitimate 3 point threat shooting well above league average. That year in Memphis the year after he left he was a top 25 NBA player
if lonzo ball, with that broken arse shot as a starting point, ever becomes a consistent 3 point threat Fred Vinson should get a fricking statue
Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:11 am to cgrand
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Fred Vinson
It was late and I was rushing my post. I know better
I agree on everything you've said
Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:21 am to 504Voodoo
The thing with Lonzo’s growth is that it will be a combination of mental awareness(cutting out the stupid pull up Curry threes) and how he eventually adjusts when defenses do.
Right now he is shooting almost 39% on catch and shoot threes. 43% on catch and shoot threes when he is wide open. And that is partly because defenses are giving him that shot. But to his credit he is now hitting them at a near elite rate.
But if he maintains that, next defenses are going to close out on him more, and that is where the continuing mechanical improvement will need to come in. Because less then 6 feet and his three average jumps down to 20-28% with 2-6 feet of space. Most good shooters don’t crater like that(even Rondo has less of a drop off). So I would both caution the victory parade with this improvement, but also hopeful that the trajectory can continue given Vinson’s track record.
Right now he is shooting almost 39% on catch and shoot threes. 43% on catch and shoot threes when he is wide open. And that is partly because defenses are giving him that shot. But to his credit he is now hitting them at a near elite rate.
But if he maintains that, next defenses are going to close out on him more, and that is where the continuing mechanical improvement will need to come in. Because less then 6 feet and his three average jumps down to 20-28% with 2-6 feet of space. Most good shooters don’t crater like that(even Rondo has less of a drop off). So I would both caution the victory parade with this improvement, but also hopeful that the trajectory can continue given Vinson’s track record.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:48 am to Pelefraan 1
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It's quite remarkable what Lonzo has been able to do with his 3 ball
I really don’t think it is, sure his shot looked bad, but shooting 41.2% from 3 in college isn’t just a lucky year. He’s shown he has the ability to shoot, now he’s just getting back into form
Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:50 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Lonzo needs a floater
Maybe LaMelo can teach him
Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:51 am to Bronc
The thing Ball needs to do though is as defenses close on him, pass out of it more rather than throwing up a brick..
If he would start doing that, then he would be what we need at the point
If he would start doing that, then he would be what we need at the point
Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:47 pm to Soggymoss
I mean yeah there are a number of additional skills and decisions he needs to improve upon: passing out of shots, driving, finishing, floaters, half-court offense. I was just really zeroing in on the three point shooting. Why it is encouraging but to hold off on the victory parade.
Because once defenders start closing out on him regularly, he is going to have to adjust. Either in the way you speak, but also in improving his shot further so he is more than a better shooting version of Rondo, who can only really hit when left wide open and not respected.
Because once defenders start closing out on him regularly, he is going to have to adjust. Either in the way you speak, but also in improving his shot further so he is more than a better shooting version of Rondo, who can only really hit when left wide open and not respected.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 1:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
Here ya go, looks like Teddy watches games, and agreed. Moore is better on the floor. Probably a better player. Zo has trade value though.
Lol at the idiot, “read more post less”
How about “watch more post less” then you might know wtf your talking about.
The folks who dont watch are so obvious. The question of who is better for this team, moore or zo is a valid one.
Lol at the idiot, “read more post less”
How about “watch more post less” then you might know wtf your talking about.
The folks who dont watch are so obvious. The question of who is better for this team, moore or zo is a valid one.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/31/19 at 2:04 pm to LilWezyAna
Stats dont agree with you. Moore scoring more points per 36 mins than Ball. Ball is def not outplaying moore.
Moore per 36 - 18/5.5/3
Ball per 36 - 14/6/6
Moore per 36 - 18/5.5/3
Ball per 36 - 14/6/6
Posted on 12/31/19 at 2:15 pm to P bean
You don’t even really need stats to make that assessment.
There are very few things that Lonzo does better than Etwaun.
I will say that if Lonzo could become an elite defender, he’s easily the better player, assuming his catch and shoot 3P% stays up. Or if developed a floater like Etwaun.
I think both of those things are very attainable for him to incorporate into his game.
etwauns ability to score around the basket when run off the line, as well as his off ball movements makes him a much much better offensive player right now. Key words being right now. Lonzo has the potential to be a much better player than Etwaun, he just isn’t right now.
There are very few things that Lonzo does better than Etwaun.
I will say that if Lonzo could become an elite defender, he’s easily the better player, assuming his catch and shoot 3P% stays up. Or if developed a floater like Etwaun.
I think both of those things are very attainable for him to incorporate into his game.
etwauns ability to score around the basket when run off the line, as well as his off ball movements makes him a much much better offensive player right now. Key words being right now. Lonzo has the potential to be a much better player than Etwaun, he just isn’t right now.
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