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re: Lonzo changed his shot release
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:26 am to thibtigers08
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:26 am to thibtigers08
Does anyone have a good video to compare?
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:47 am to Bronc
Lonzo is already a top 10 passer and top 15 defender in the league. His problems scoring are because of his lack of a jumper so defenders can play back on him limiting his driving. Plus you can see that that messed up his confidence and gave him the yips at times like rushing a routine layup and miss. In short he just needs to round out his game to make his strengths more effective. Him and Ingram Have all nba potential
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:38 pm to Bronc
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It will go a really long way though if he can hit open threes though.
It makes him way more lineup versatile and not having to be sat at the end of some games because of spacing issues.
That and free throws. An interesting debate would be Lonzo improving which one of the two (for the sake of discussion let’s say he improves one but not the other, at least not significantly) would be more important to team success.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 1:05 pm to Philippines4LSU
quote:So, I just looked at the numbers for fun. If Lonzo kept the same free throw rate (which is abysmal), and shot league average from the free throw line (75%), he would have only scored 16 more points last season. If he kept the same 3pa rate and shot league average from 3 (35.5%), he would've scored 18 more points.
That and free throws. An interesting debate would be Lonzo improving which one of the two (for the sake of discussion let’s say he improves one but not the other, at least not significantly) would be more important to team success.
You have to wonder if he would play differently if he shot better from the free throw line. Maybe he would be more aggressive getting to the rim.
It's a chicken and egg thing, I would have to look at his college stats in order to get a better understanding, but I wonder if he is less aggressive at getting to the rim because he's not a good free throw shooter, or is it harder for him to get to the rim because defenses are playing off of him at the line?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 1:09 pm to Philippines4LSU
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That and free throws. An interesting debate would be Lonzo improving which one of the two
It’s really not a debate at all. One is worth 1pt and Lonzo averages 1 attempt a game. The other is worth 3 points and Lonzo averages 5 attempts per game
Posted on 8/19/19 at 1:30 pm to 1ranter1
quote:Except if you read my post, you will see that the difference in points, if he keeps the same rate is actually negligible between the two (16 vs 18, if he brought both up to league average). He's much worse at free throws, than he is at 3 point shots. Would he shoot more free throws if he knew he was better at them? Or, is that irrelevant, and does he shoot a lower free throw rate because of the way that he is defended (because of his 3 point shooting percentage)?
It’s really not a debate at all. One is worth 1pt and Lonzo averages 1 attempt a game. The other is worth 3 points and Lonzo averages 5 attempts per game
It's much more nuanced than 3 is more than 1.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 1:35 pm to Epic Cajun
Based on the numbers, Lonzo averaged about the same amount of threes in college as he has in the pros, but even though it's not a desirable amount, he averaged around 2.7fta per game in college(35 mins a game) when he was converting at a better rate vs. the 1.4 per 36 he is in the pros.
College to pros I know, but I think if he had more confidence he wouldn't shy away from the rim in the half-court as he does now.
College to pros I know, but I think if he had more confidence he wouldn't shy away from the rim in the half-court as he does now.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:31 pm to thibtigers08
still bringing the ball down then rocks into his shot. Its practically the same shot its just going in with no one in his face. Still gonna get blocked a lot.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:47 pm to ScaryClown
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:55 pm to Epic Cajun
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Except if you read my post
Well yeah your post basically has him doubling his FT% and only going up 2% on his 3. That’s a pretty ridiculous comparison.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 3:13 pm to 1ranter1
quote:He shot 67% in college. It's not that ridiculous. My post had him shooting league average at both shots. It's much more likely that his free throw percentage is "faulty" due to small sample size, than his 3 point percentage, which is a much larger sample. Obviously there is a possibility for much more variance in the free throw percentage.
Well yeah your post basically has him doubling his FT% and only going up 2% on his 3. That’s a pretty ridiculous comparison.
"Duh 3 vs 1" is a stupid take
Posted on 8/19/19 at 3:32 pm to Epic Cajun
tom haberstroh
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I still believe. Leaving Los Angeles may be the best thing for Zo’s career. Now, he can focus on basketball without the headaches of the Lakers organization and the backdrop of Hollywood (who knows what LaVar is up to).
Ball has struggled to stay healthy in his promising NBA career. Shoulder and ankle injuries sapped his effectiveness over his two seasons, but with a revamped medical staff in New Orleans, he has a chance to truly breakout. I was there when he and LeBron James each posted a triple-double in Charlotte last December. That was a month before he suffered a season-ending ankle injury, but that seems like a decade ago.
Ball can really play. If he can figure out the apparent yips at the free throw line — Ball shot a paltry 6-of-26 from the free throw line in 18 games after that Charlotte game — he has the potential to be special. Importantly, over that same stretch, he shot a healthy 36 percent from 3 on 5.9 attempts per game, which shows that he can shoot the rock.
With his defensive acumen, elite passing abilities and basketball IQ, Ball has a bright future ahead of him, especially now with Zion Williamson on the receiving end of those passes. If he can stay healthy, I truly think there’s a Jrue-Holiday-type career ahead of Ball. What better place to grow up in this league than alongside Holiday in New Orleans? At just 21 years old, there’s plenty of time for Ball to live up to lofty expectations as the No. 2 overall pick in the 2017 draft. Consider me bullish on Ball. —Tom Haberstroh
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/19/19 at 3:37 pm to 1ranter1
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It’s really not a debate at all. One is worth 1pt and Lonzo averages 1 attempt a game. The other is worth 3 points and Lonzo averages 5 attempts per game
I do get that. I guess where I was coming from is end of game scenarios and him being able to remain on the floor with improved FT shooting.
You’re probably right about the bottom line though. I’m certainly not arguing to the contrary.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 3:56 pm to Philippines4LSU
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I guess where I was coming from is end of game scenarios and him being able to remain on the floor
holiday, favors, redick will close.
the other two spots i think will rotate until gentry gets some confidence in the others...you have zion, ingram, hart, ball, moore & melli to choose from.
one of ball or holiday is going to have to start hitting threes and FT's if ball is going to close. cant have them both out there without that
Posted on 8/19/19 at 4:52 pm to Epic Cajun
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He shot 67% in college.
So let’s use that as the goal (a 26% jump from last year, still a huge improvement)
He also shot 41% from 3 in college. Lets shoot for 37% to factor in the extra distance.
Assuming the same shot rate as last season, over 75 games he would get 19 more points from the line and 45 more points from 3.
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"Duh 3 vs 1" is a stupid take
No it’s more like 1 vs 3 on a shot that he attempts 5x more often.
But whatever it’s really a useless argument because if he improves one he will likely improve the other
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 8/19/19 at 5:04 pm to Bronc
With this new shot, he’s headed for the 40/50/90 club in no time!
Posted on 8/19/19 at 5:20 pm to 1ranter1
Right. I even questioned in both of my posts if the shooting issues are related. I don’t think he would shoot many more 3 point shots if he got better at them, he’s already shooting those at a high rate, he may shoot more free throws though. It’s an interesting hypothetical.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 6:10 pm to Bronc
Form definitely looks better. He’s still bringing the ball up from really low but this should help with free throws and set shots.
Just play good d, distribute, and not be a completely liability at the line. If this dude can even get his ft% to 60% I’d consider that a win
Just play good d, distribute, and not be a completely liability at the line. If this dude can even get his ft% to 60% I’d consider that a win
Posted on 8/19/19 at 8:02 pm to thibtigers08
if lonzo develops even a serviceable shot, this trade becomes a fricking ripoff for the pellies, and i didn't like it until we got #1
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:02 pm to cgrand
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holiday, favors, redick will close.
I dunno about Redick. If we're behind a few points, then he's definitely out there. But if we're up three with a minute left, then getting stops is important, and I'm not sure he's out there in that situation.
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