re: Lol Hayes is JaVale McGee 2.0

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Like say a starting stretch 5? Shooters?

For a guy who continues to talk about how we need shooters, why don’t you want us to have the mo eh to pay for them?

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So who is this mythical stretch 5 that requires that extra cap space? Dedmon? Gasol? Lopez? Horford? Because your argument is hinging on that contract being a negative(it isn't) and it freeing up needed space ASAP because of FA moves that couldn't be made without it.

Most aren't getting more than 20 mil a year and if they do you don't want to be the team paying it.

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An expiring isn't an asset until that deadline. That's the argument

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Then following this logic, there is still no real need to take a lesser return to get off it unless you have some clear imminent use for it. Which is the accompanying argument being made.

And maybe Griffin does, but I go down the list of FA's and they are either going to require overpays, or you get to guys that probably fit under the 18 million we had and arent major needle movers.

That one player isn't getting all $30m...we need multiple veterans and are now in a position to make an uneven trade such as Moore for Marvin Williams.

Griff has a plan for it...let's wait and see.

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I go down the list of FA's and they are either going to require overpays, or you get to guys that probably fit under the 18 million we had and arent major needle movers.

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Here's the thing, though. If all the good free agents this year are getting more money, are they really getting overpaid? Or is this just natural and the way the NBA works?

We still need another pure PG and at least one big (preferably two). Let's say we just get Darren Collison and Niko Mirotic. That would likely eat up all the cap room that we have, and neither of them really excites me -- they just fill needs.

Griffin is not going to let that cap space go unused. Nor should he. We need it, and I bet we need the $5 million that trading Moore will get us too.

I hope We take advantage of having a very young team and maybe see if we can use this money to get some good vets on shorter contracts. That basically will expire by the time we really have to pay any of these kids.

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That basically will expire by the time we really have to pay any of these kids.

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That is also why I am not in favor of really trying to go big in FA unless by some magic we can get one of the elite guys or one of the solid role players without overpaying or committing major years.

Ingram's contract is up at the end of the season.

Jrue and Ball's contract is up the following offseason.


If I didn't feel this market was going to be notably inflated, or we had a clearer picture of what Zion will be, and how Ball/Ingram/Jrue fit in all this(or don't), I'd be open to taking some risks. But a good free agency for me is either getting an elite guy by some miracle or making wise, conservative signings with flexibility in mind knowing it is impossible to accurately project what this roster will need three seasons from now in terms of second-tier role players and you don't want their contracts limiting your ability to sign or let walk players.

I don’t know about realism. This back and forth is more an optimism vs pessimism. You don’t believe Hayes will develop a shot. Some believe he can. I haven’t seen anyone state that his shot is “good to go” as you mentioned. Most seem to be pretty realistic, erring on the optimistic.

You don’t want to spend a ton on a 5, right? Check. They got the top draft 5 (according to most) who won’t break the bank. You want shooters but don’t like giving up the Solo contract. They cleared cap space for shooters. You (we) aren’t aware of imminent use of the space because FA hasn’t started yet. They had the chance to unload and took it.

As far as #4, only Garland (we think) and Hunter even have the shooting chops you’re looking for. I would have been excited (except for his link to the shite posse Klutch clan) and alleged horrid defense. (Do you think he’ll play good enough defense to stay in the floor?). No one else available shoots any better then the players already on the team and the two available have big question marks.

Picked a 5 with tons of potential. Grabbed a shooter in NAW. Picked up yet another future first (maybe). Cleared cap space to open up opportunity. (And yes, saved Gayle some $ as we continue to build). Pels didn’t hit a home run with the trade. But doesn’t seem like they bunted a fly back to the pitcher (to shake up analogies) like you are kind of making it sound.

I could live with the Capela comparison

Did McGee ever murder some chump on ESPN?