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Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:48 pm to RogerTempleton
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Yep. Griff really fricked this up. I’m shocked we didn’t take Garland. Even if we want to keep Lonzo and Jrue, let Garland be our sixth man guard just like CJ was initially for Portland. Darius could have played alongside Lonzo or Jrue in the backcourt for stretches and it would have worked.
I'd even accept taking Hunter, as you don't know what Ingram will be or whether he can even stay healthy.
Yeah, I feel completely at odds with the rest of the board because I think this was Griffin's first swing and miss and it is a doozy, and it seriously makes me concerned with how he will utilize those incredible assets he received in the Lakers trade.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:48 pm to RogerTempleton
Moron
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:49 pm to Bronc
Right there with you. I feel the exact same.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:49 pm to RogerTempleton
isnt that was chauncey said? so this guy is just repeating the comparison
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:50 pm to Bronc
Seriously, make the case for me that if New Orleans didn't luck into Zion, that what New Orleans came into tonight with was the #4 pick, that you would be satisfied with this outcome?
And if you have to use Zion as a crutch to make your point, you already defeated your own argument.
On it's own merits this is not looking like a good trade.
And if you have to use Zion as a crutch to make your point, you already defeated your own argument.
On it's own merits this is not looking like a good trade.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:56 pm to Bronc
Depends on free agency.
I'm not expecting a 2nd rookie to be some major contributor. Sorry. Garland has potential, he also has potential to be a chucker.
Hayes seems like he could become a rim protector that can finish out games because he isn't a ft liability or slow footed he loses out.
Anyone after 4 is a crapshoot, griffin and Langdon just decided to crapshoot a rim protector with upside
I'm not expecting a 2nd rookie to be some major contributor. Sorry. Garland has potential, he also has potential to be a chucker.
Hayes seems like he could become a rim protector that can finish out games because he isn't a ft liability or slow footed he loses out.
Anyone after 4 is a crapshoot, griffin and Langdon just decided to crapshoot a rim protector with upside
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:57 pm to RogerTempleton
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RogerTempleton
You Shaqtin a fool!
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:58 pm to htran90
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Depends on free agency.
I'm not expecting a 2nd rookie to be some major contributor. Sorry. Garland has potential, he also has potential to be a chucker.
Hayes seems like he could become a rim protector that can finish out games because he isn't a ft liability or slow footed he loses out.
Anyone after 4 is a crapshoot, griffin and Langdon just decided to crapshoot a rim protector with upside
So if we went into tonight with the #4 pick and took Hayes and the 17 and that was it, you are good?
Garland has actually proven something. Hunter has proven something. Even Zion could bust, that is not really a good argument. If we are weighing bust potential, Hayes is high on that list. while his upside seems no higher than either of those(or Culver or Reddish for that matter).
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:00 pm to Bronc
So you discount Hayes high level defense? Why?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:05 pm to supe12sta12z
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So you discount Hayes high level defense? Why?
Based on his synergy scores he was solid, not spectacular.
Based on how the league is trending, a top ten pick on a non-elite prospect center makes little sense.
You could get what he will bring for his first few seasons(and likely beyond) on the cheap in free agency.
If the opportunity cost wasn't Garland or Hunter I would be fine with this, but that is not the case.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:06 pm to King Zion
I agree, thought we should have stayed and just took Garland. Would have been a nice scoring guard off the bench.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:08 pm to Bronc
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Garland has actually proven something
Please tell me what the number 15 overall high school prospect in the country proved in 5 games against shitty college teams
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:08 pm to Bronc
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So if we went into tonight with the #4 pick and took Hayes and the 17 and that was it, you are good?
Garland has actually proven something. Hunter has proven something. Even Zion could bust, that is not really a good argument. If we are weighing bust potential, Hayes is high on that list. while his upside seems no higher than either of those(or Culver or Reddish for that matter).
What has garland proven while he played less games? Your hypothetical makes no sense because it'd be 4 and 7 or so, not 4 and 17.
Being able to draft zion first changes your entire approach to the draft. Look at the roster, you need to build around him and the biggest deficiency won't be a 3rd guard with equal question marks. We talked all week about needing a center for zion to space and/or be down low. Hayes could very well be both.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:11 pm to Bronc
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I think this too cute trade back and pick is Griffin's first major misstep as GM
Relax. We won’t even know if it’s a misstep for at least a few years
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:12 pm to Bronc
Put it this way if it were still Demps and our piss poor scouting dept I’d be kind of upset about tonight, but until proven otherwise I’ll go ahead and trust this FO and their evals.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:12 pm to RogerTempleton
Maybe a better comparison would be Nerlens Noel. Raw offensive player with a big defensive upside.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:16 pm to htran90
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Being able to draft zion first changes your entire approach to the draft.
Why?
You are not a contender, you are in the talent acquisition period. And you want to get the best talent you can, if your argument is that is Hayes over Garland or Hunter is that, make the case.
Nothing we have is certain. You speak of a crowded backcourt as if Lonzo is proven and hasn't been riddled with injuries his entire career. As if Ingram is guaranteed to be worth the contract he will command in a season. As if either of them are guaranteed long-term fits with Zion. As if Garland or Hunter don't bring clear things Zion would need.
You can get Dedmon or Noel on the cheap, which are both likely equal(perhaps better) players than Jaxson will be for his first few seasons.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:16 pm to Bronc
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Garland has actually proven something.
uhh...what?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:17 pm to mindbreaker
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Please tell me what the number 15 overall high school prospect in the country proved in 5 games against shitty college teams
Elite shooting form, elite ball handling, elite separation ability, elite use of screens.
Now show me why Hayes is the better pick? Break his game down, tell me why you are so convinced that head to head Hayes is a better pick?
show me where you said this before tonight and arent just riding Griffin's nuts?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:19 pm
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