re: Lockout ending in sight?

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I want a season, but I don't blame the players at all if they decertify.

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Not a winning strategy. Just makes some of them feel better. And they'll never win an antitrust suit. They're going to frick themselves over . . . and hurt the league for the next few years as well.

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It's a two way street here. Players have been stubborn, owners have matched that every step of the way and then some.

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Until they throw the season away I'm convinced it's all posturing. If you're the owners you want the players thinking Stern is barely holding the hardliners back. On the players side you want the owners thinking you aren't rational "they aren't crazy enough to kill the season are they?"

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Until they throw the season away I'm convinced it's all posturing. If you're the owners you want the players thinking Stern is barely holding the hardliners back. On the players side you want the owners thinking you aren't rational "they aren't crazy enough to kill the season are they?"

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Just drifting and reading around the internet, as depressing as it seems on the surface, I still think there will be a deal sooner rather than later. Could be completely wrong, but that's my opinion.

There won't be any deal. You have 10 different factions within the NBPA fighting amongst themselves coupled with outside factors (Sports agents who will see a significant revenue decline) and Union leadership themselves fighting for their jobs. The owners have two factions they have to deal with (Mega-city owners vs Midsized/Small market owners) but they have Stern who knows how to control everyone.

The sports agents have teamed up with the mega-stars & aging NBA players to lockout the mid-level and low-level NBA players. None of those groups give a rats arse about the mid-level and younger players because quite frankly they don't care about them. The Union knows putting this thing to a vote would end the lockout but the anti-Union faction wants to decertify because they think they can steam roll the process in the courts through this ill-advised Anti-trust action which won't go anywhere.

Good news is the players are going to completely self-destruct when they reject this latest proposal. The animosity on the courts is going to be at an all time high between players when the players get totally railroaded and we should see some cheap shots & career ending moves by some of the players who got screwed against some of the NBA's star players. You can write that in ink.

I believe that if these idiots vote to decertify the union the first thing the Hornets need to do is get Chris Paul the hell out of New Orleans. There are going to be dozens of players looking to end his career if they reject this latest & last proposal. Bring in a new group from top to bottom that won't have the animosity baggage that a Chris Paul will bring if they vote down the proposal or decertify. He is injured enough already and his days on the court will all but be assured to be limited.

If the players accept the deal then keep Chris Paul and I think with a new owners who doesn't carry the baggage that all of the other owners have with respect to the new CBA--New Orleans is going to be in a dynamite place.

Also keep in mind we are going to have 2 years of NBA draft picks and European Free agents to pick up if they call the season. Bottom line we will see approxmiately 1/3 of the NBA players who played last year gone if the season starts in 2012-13.

I don't know about that. Word is also that the majority of players don't really understand the deal offered, but when its been explained to them the reaction has been negative. Every guy on the executive board, save CP3, is a role player. They thought it was a good deal, they could get a vote.

after 5 years of having season tickets I'm to the point now to where I just want a refund on my 2010-11 tickets.

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Word is the union reps would have put the previous deal to a vote and it probably would have passed a player vote if Hunter hadn't talked them out of it. That says to me Hunter is still in control and thinks he can get more. Decertification means the end of the road for Hunter.

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i agree that hunter is being selfish for individual-personal reasons and it's hurting the union

I would be really surprised if Hunter survives this no matter what happens. Even if decertification was always too risky to try Hunter did a poor job of preparing the players for this. Players shouldn't have been coming up with exhibition tours on the fly, they should have had exhibition tours organized and ready to go once the lockout began. If Kim Kardashian can get $20 million for a fake wedding, I'm sure they could have made quite a bit pimping out the superstars to reality TV. LeBron and DWade's South Beach Adventures. Have a group of stars do a version of Dhani Takes on the World. Not to mention well crafted reality TV would have given the players a platform to do spin control against the league. They've gotten their asses kicked on the PR front.

Woj is reporting that players who aren't team reps have been denied requests to get a full hard copy of the deal by the NBPA. lulz.

They do NOT want a vote.

I'm starting to think the league should just publish their proposal in full and watch the Union scramble. Not sure how legal that would be, but that sounds like bargaining in good faith to me. The NBPA is truly denying the players, that is the very definition of not bargaining in good faith.