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re: Lets Talk Kira
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:45 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:45 am to NOSHAU
I think the option to have Kira on a cheaper deal going forward could be very valuable long term.
He has a lot of potential and his speed/ spacing is extremely effective. I think Kira is valuable as a distributor.
We don’t need another PG. If we keep Kira then we have Dyson, Kira, Jose, CJ, BI, and Zion as “primary ball handlers”. At that point we draft a true shooter that can now maximize the abilities of Kira, Dyson, etcc on the court.
He has a lot of potential and his speed/ spacing is extremely effective. I think Kira is valuable as a distributor.
We don’t need another PG. If we keep Kira then we have Dyson, Kira, Jose, CJ, BI, and Zion as “primary ball handlers”. At that point we draft a true shooter that can now maximize the abilities of Kira, Dyson, etcc on the court.
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:07 pm to ghost2most
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Who's minutes should he be taking? Dyson? If you want to argue he should have been playing when we were still trotting out Graham, fine, but I'm not benching Dyson for him
In that 10 game losing streak Kira had 7 DNP-CDs and only once did he get double digit minutes (against the Bucks) and in that game he went for 15/6/3 on over 60% from the floor…following game was another DNP.
That’s what I mean by negligence.
It’s not like everyone couldn’t see the Pels struggling to score, particularly from outside, but Willie still sat.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:14 pm to Solo
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Who does he take minutes from next year? If healthy(hahahhaha) even Dyson is going to struggle to get minutes.
Jose’s
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:18 pm to BigPerm30
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He’s too small and plays out of control a lot.
Yeah, and he hasn't really demonstrated much in the way of offense initiation, either. Without clear lead guard skills, I just don't see where he fits long-term. He's looking more and more like a journeyman.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:19 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Jose’s
What does he provide that Jose doesn't?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:16 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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What does he provide that Jose doesn't?
Is he a much better or potentially be a much shooter than Jose? That’s going to be the question the organization will be asking themselves.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:19 pm to BamaPelican
quote:He's taken a whopping 34 3 pointers and you are claiming he leads the team in %. Way too small of a sample. The staff sees him in practice every day. That is where a bench player earns his minutes. Based on your username, I know you are biased, but I do not see whose minutes he could take.
Exactly what has he done to fail to earn minutes…leads the team in 3pt %, 5th in Pts per 36, 2nd in FT%, almost 2 STOCKS per 36 (tied with Dyson), over 2 to 1 assists to TOs.
I would feel differently if the Pels had stayed on their early season tear and Willie didn’t want to rock the boat, but the Pels were racked by injuries and went on some massive losing streaks where no one could throw it in the ocean from deep.***
Failing to give your 21 yo lottery pick that is leading your team in 3pt % significant minutes under those circumstances should be fireable on its own. Even if the player fails, the unwillingness to try it and see, which essentially guarantees a waste of a lottery pick is simply negligence.
Kira has shown significant improvement and flashes of why he was a lottery pick and Willie’s response has been to bury him on the bench.
***Now that the team is getting healthy and in a dogfight for a playoff spot it may be too late to try and see what the Pels have and that is 100% on Willie
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:29 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Jose’s
Hard no from me.
Defense - Jose
Driving - Jose
Energy - Jose
Passing - Jose
Shooting - tie (I don't care about Kira's garbage time 3 point %. He's been bad in meaningful minutes)
Kira should never take a minute from Jose.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:30 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Is he a much better or potentially be a much shooter than Jose? That’s going to be the question the organization will be asking themselves.
no imo.
Jose's form is much cleaner.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:09 pm to NOSHAU
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Come on, he played 6 or 7 minutes against deep bench players for a tanking team
Kind of exactly what I acknowledge right?
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He has to earn his minutes and apparently has not done that.
Hence why I said that Willie could at least take the starters out earlier in games we have big leads. I mean just recently we were blowing out the Hornets and SAS and Willie didn't put the backups in until about 2 minutes left when the W had been locked up way earlier. Hell even if you don't care about developing backups, at least put them in so one of yours stars doesn't accidently get injured. I've been saying that all year long, not just in a Kira thread.
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He just does not seem comfortable running the offense when he plays. He is still thinking way too much and taking too long to make decisions.
Yea that's just not true and you're making up some random complaint. You talk about it just being the last 7 minutes of last night and that's fine, but you can take the whole year into consideration and he still looks good. Especially if you take the G League into consideration.
You want him traded and that's fine, that's probably what will happen and I won't lose sleep over it. But I'm not going to hate on him for playing good in the time he does play. If he had played bad for the majority of his time then I'd say he's been bad, but there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that he has played good.
Being honest, I'd say Kira has more upside than Jose (and still three years younger), but I love Jose and would hate to see him go so I'm fine with Jose getting the minutes.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:02 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Is he a much better or potentially be a much shooter than Jose? That’s going to be the question the organization will be asking themselves.
Jose is 32.2% for his career
Kira is 32.1% for his career
Kira was 33% in year 1 and 22% in year 2. He's showing 44% this year, but on the smallest of sample sizes (14 for 35).
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:04 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Being honest, I'd say Kira has more upside than Jose (and still three years younger), but I love Jose and would hate to see him go so I'm fine with Jose getting the minutes.
Kira may have a slightly higher ceiling (not by much if at all), but to date Jose has been a better NBA player.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:33 pm to Balsamic_duck
He obviously improved his shot. I don't understand why they can't find minutes for a 44% 3 point shooter.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:21 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He's looked good this year
At best he’s looked good some times and awful other times. Not surprising considering the lack of consistent minutes. But to say he’s “looked good this year” is really over selling it. He’s had flashes of good play. And based on what I’ve seen no way he gets minutes from Jose.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:25 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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but on the smallest of sample sizes (14 for 35).
To show how small it is; if he missed the two threes he made last night in garbage time he would be shooting 34% rather than 44%.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:37 pm to Balsamic_duck
Let’s not and say we did.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:21 pm to ghost2most
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He's been bad in meaningful minutes
For a bit different view... in the 23 games Kira has played 20+mins for the Pels (*24 min avg in those games) over his entire career he has produced a line of 10.5/3.3/3 while shooting 48% from the field, 39% from 3pt, and 86% on FTs, with over a 3x assist to TO rate (3.3 to 1), along with 1.3 STOCKS. The Pels have 11 wins vs 12 losses in those games.
*Per 36 of 15.75/5/4.5
Most of those games were in his rookie year...he has only played 20+ mins in 5 games since that time.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:56 pm to BamaPelican
Yeah, I don't get it. Don't you want to find out for sure what you've got? You took him in the lottery at 19-years-old as a lead guard. You must have seen something. Do you want to find out when he goes somewhere else that you had Darius Garland on the roster and didn't play him?
Cavs played DG 30 minutes a night his first season even though he kind of sucked. He's smallish, didn't shoot or pass that well and was a defensive liability. But they took their lumps with him and now have an All-Star point guard. You gotta play the guy...
Cavs played DG 30 minutes a night his first season even though he kind of sucked. He's smallish, didn't shoot or pass that well and was a defensive liability. But they took their lumps with him and now have an All-Star point guard. You gotta play the guy...
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