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Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:30 am
Posted by bengalmd
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:30 am
Man could he throw a wrinkle into this team if he can build on this performance. Would be a nightmare to guard if he can finish at the rim and knock down 35% of threes. Don’t need him shooting many threes but need the threat. Zion’s dunks would double.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:16 am to
I fully expect another G-League assignment for him while Graham gets 15 minutes a night to shoot 22% from 3.
Posted by Hailstate15
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Member since Nov 2018
21466 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:35 am to
Imma gunna commit scooter ankle if this happens
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61489 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:47 am to
The trade deadline is 10 days away. You can suck it up for that long.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:48 am to
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The trade deadline is 10 days away. You can suck it up for that long.

The Pels Talk melt if we stand pat and don't make a move is going to be an all timer.
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18851 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:58 am to
quote:

The Pels Talk melt if we stand pat and don't make a move is going to be an all timer.

I’ll probably be one of them, but I’ll do my best to keep it to myself.
Posted by Hailstate15
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:03 am to
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I’ll do my best to keep it to myself


I won’t
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61489 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:09 am to
I'm thinking it might go the other way with the reports of Griff looking for big swings. The melt will be "we gave up that many 1sts for him/them? How are we going to afford them long term?"

But back to Kira. I only saw his highlights from last night, but he looked good in them. It's a very small sample size but this season he's hit that pull up mid range well. I think he could easily be better than Graham, which they should try to verify before they make a trade to determine who they should target.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11900 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:11 am to
quote:

I'm thinking it might go the other way with the reports of Griff looking for big swings. The melt will be "we gave up that many 1sts for him/them? How are we going to afford them long term?"
That is actually my concern.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:17 am to
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I'm thinking it might go the other way with the reports of Griff looking for big swings. The melt will be "we gave up that many 1sts for him/them? How are we going to afford them long term?"

Possibly, though I think there are different degrees and variations of overpaying.

The first is obvious, you just give up wayyyyyyy more assets than you think we should. Don't need to really explain that one.

But the other is who you're overpaying for. For example, we gave up an additional 1st that we absolutely did not or should not have when we got Steven Adams. That ticked me off because not only was it an overpay but it wasn't for a guy I felt was truly moving the needle or a final piece to an almost complete team.

The flip side of that is...let's use OG Anunoby. Assuming you like him and think he's that final piece/good player we need to round out a title contending team and you also think he's worth two 1sts, I don't think i'd flip out too much if we gave up an additional 1st. Not ideal, but just pointing out the same sorta scenario where you give up one more 1st than you'd like, but I can live with it in 1 scenario but really dislike it in the other.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25517 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:35 am to
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I think he could easily be better than Graham,



DG and Kira don't play similar roles. They are different types of players. Comparing them doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless you're comparing which role is better for this team.

Everyone on this team is a role player to Zion and BI. How do you fit your role to make them better, and for you to be the most efficient role player? Are you going to share the court with them, or are you likely to be on the court without them?


One thing DG provides as a role player is off the ball movement and keeping his defender close to him most of the time b/c he gets his shot off quickly. Even when DG isn't shooting great from 3, he's still commanding the defenses attention when he's on the court, and that is an extremely important trait to have if you're going to play for this team. That's something Ryan Anderson and Mirotic did. Mirotic shot 35% from 3 with us, yet he still demanded constant attention and he moved well off the ball. I have no problem trading DG, but we have to bring in a similar movement type shooter to replace him, either right now or in the offseason. Despite DG not shooting well from 3 this year, he's still shooting 46% on wide open 3's this year. He can't be left alone, and defenses know this. and you can easily argue that DG is very hot and cold in games this year. He has great games, and he has many duds. I'll take that from a 10th best guy on the team, someone who can basically win you a few games on his own pretty much.
It's why i would like to see McDermott on the Pels. He can play 20 minutes and only take 5 shots, but the defense knew where he was on offense the entire time he played. That's a role player that this roster has to have, the guy that has tons of off ball movement, knocks down open 3's, and demands defensive attention.


Kira looked good last night, but what role does he play for this team going forward? Is he going to take Jose's spot as the backup PG? Can he and Jose play together?
I think Kira's role would be his ability to break the defense down and get in the lane, and we without a doubt can use that, especially if he can make wide open 3's.


We can't make decisions based on injuries. You build this team and make your decisions assuming good health to all, b/c you aren't winning anything unless you are healthy, so plan on that. We aren't trying to build a team to win regular season games when BI/Zion don't play, we are trying to build a championship team.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30110 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:40 pm to
There's 2 players on the team that can attack the rim at will:
Zion
Naji

BI and CJ settle for jump shots because theyre both fairly good at it. Alvarado can do it sparingy, but his size is an issue. TM3 can't. DG can't. Herb can't.

So having a guy like Kira is definitely a needed wrinkle, esp if he can knock down >30% of 3's, you let him play over DG
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61489 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:44 pm to
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There's 2 players on the team that can attack the rim at will:
Zion
Naji


We probably won't see him until next season, but I'm really interested in seeing what Seabron becomes. He hasn't had a chance to do it much at the NBA level yet, but he's blowing by people in the GLeague like he did in college.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25517 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 3:21 pm to
Well if he can use his size and strength to finish around the basket, there's a place for him on any team.

Dinwiddie was averaging 16ppg in Brooklyn before he got hurt, and was shooting 33% from 3, even though almost half his shots were 3's. He was either shooting 3's are getting to the goal, and it's worked out nice for him.

he's probably not as strong as Dinwiddie, as Dinwiddie probably has 30lbs on him, but he's faster and more athletic than he is.


Seabron is shooting 80% from the line in his 11 G-League games, and 47% from 3. Small sample size of 40 free throws and 19 3's, but still very encouraging.
Posted by hkc
Member since Oct 2021
82 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:12 pm to
We need a true pg and have cj fill that movement shooter role. Right now cj is the initial creator too much and is on ball too much, which an actual pg he would be relieved of those duties and would be the off ball guy this team so desperately needs.

Zion and Ingram can’t be your full time pg.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:35 pm to
quote:


We need a true pg and have cj fill that movement shooter role. Right now cj is the initial creator too much and is on ball too much, which an actual pg he would be relieved of those duties and would be the off ball guy this team so desperately needs.


Big problem there is you run into the CJ problem and why he wasn't exactly blowing up the market for his services.

Cj at the 2 means you are likely undersized and relying on BI/Zion to need to step up as defenders by a considerable amount.

Dyson is actually one of the better prospects to grow alongside CJ cause he can facilitate and defend 3 positions at a high level. He can already rather competently switch 4, and likely will grow into being switchable everywhere ala Jrue.....But his lack of an offensive arsenal or shooting is a problem.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30110 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:43 pm to
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Dyson is actually one of the better prospects to grow alongside CJ cause he can facilitate and defend 3 positions at a high level. He can already rather competently switch 4, and likely will grow into being switchable everywhere ala Jrue.....But his lack of an offensive arsenal or shooting is a problem.


Yup if Dyson could be a 13/5/5 guy who is an offensive threat, he is the ideal pg next to Cj. You cannot repeat Portland's issue with Cj and dame, an undersized backcourt...

Right now the issue is we have 3 undersized point guards.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1837 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

Dyson is actually one of the better prospects to grow alongside CJ


I like Dyson growing into that point role, that would be ideal. Obviously he needs to continue to get better offensively, but he is already a better connector than CJ which is important to have with 2 of the three dominant scorers on the court playing.

In regards to Kira, the dynamic we haven’t seen is Kira with Zion, particularly against second units. I believe they complement each other and would wreak havoc.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
6584 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:53 pm to
Kira is like a poor (maybe homeless) man's De'Aron Fox.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1841 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 5:05 pm to
Just seems to me...with Zion, BI and CJ...we don't really need a true PG as much as most other teams do. In fact, I have trouble imagining how much action a true PG would have with those 3 on the court with him. And, I consider this an advatageous situation to be in, since it allows us to find a relatively big, defensive minded player (like Dyson) to fill the other G position with CJ (for however long CJ is gonna hang on)...and heaven knows, we can certainly use the extra defensive help especially from a player that can adjust fairly well to guard multiple positions.

We've already got enough small Gs...and to be honest every one of them is a net negative when it comes to halfcourt defense, even CJ. So, bottom line, somebody teach Dyson or Herb to shoot open 3s at a 35% clip...or better yet...BOTH of them.

Then...we'll be good to go...uhh, as soon as somebody comes up with a cure for that humongus problem we have at the "5"!!!
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