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re: Kira Lewis: 10 points in 10 minutes.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:47 pm to whodat24
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:47 pm to whodat24
Yeah the whole coddling thing is BS. You either have it or you don't, you can either ball or you can't. Its that simple. Also this whole being to small thing is dumb. There are 7 footers in the league who are barely over 200lbs that play plenty. Ja Morant is built like a 10 year old girl and hes fine. Its the NBA for god's sake. You can barely touch a player without drawing a foul. The only reason I can think of for not playing Kira, is Stan is simply trying to win now and nail the rotations and doesn't go deep into his bench. They only play 3-4 guys off the bench per night and unfortunately guys like NAW and Hart are ahead of Kira.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 12:49 pm
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:This is a guy who is 19, had no training camp and has not played even college ball in about 9 months before the season started. This is not fantasy basketball where you just plug a guy in and say go. It takes some time for him to understand the game, get used to the players, etc. Everyone is calling for him to be the savior in the backcourt just because they do not like the starters. I am confident he will get more time, but to bitch about it only 20 games in is a bit overreactive.
I cannot stand this mindset.
If you have to coddle someone in fear of hurting their confidence, then that player will likely never amount to anything anyway. Just about every player that has every played has gotten his confidence wrecked early in their career. It's how you learn from it and bounce back. You can't protect children their entire lives. YOu have to get out there and make the mistakes yourself. You can't learn from mistakes if you're never given the chance to make them, and you're not going to stop a kid from making a mistake, you're only delaying the inevitability of it.
there is nothing you can teach a young player about the speed and length of playing an nba game from the bench/film room. You have to experience it and learn from it.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:46 pm to NOSHAU
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This is a guy who is 19, had no training camp and has not played even college ball in about 9 months before the season started. This is not fantasy basketball where you just plug a guy in and say go
He's been playing basketball his whole life and supposedly has a high bball iq. It's not that difficult to teach someone like that. He didn't forget how to play basketball.
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It takes some time for him to understand the game, get used to the players, etc
sure, and that time has to be spent playing in real games, not on the bench.
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Everyone is calling for him to be the savior in the backcourt just because they do not like the starters
I'm not calling for him to be the savior. Lonzo is not, so next man up. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but you'll never know if you don't fricking play him.
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I am confident he will get more time, but to bitch about it only 20 games in is a bit overreactive.
I said i wouldn't start really bitching about it until 20 games in. WHat little i've seen from him, my hypothesis that he might not be that good isn't one i have confidence in. A new hypothesis has arisen in that we have a old dumbass of a coach and a dumbass GM that wants to redshirt him as to why he's not playing, which is ridiculous and unlike how a normal NBA team handles guys picked this early in the draft, unless they are terrible from the start.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
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A new hypothesis has arisen in that we have a old dumbass of a coach and a dumbass GM that wants to redshirt him as to why he's not playing,
The selling of Stan by JJ was "he wouldn't play me so I had to make myself better." I agree that it seems stupid in Kira's case, it seems like NAW might be closer to the kind of candidate for that tough love.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:So every player who has every played basketball should be able to play in the NBA immediately? We are only 20 games in and have a lot of guards on the team. I would expect he will get more run as the season progresses and based on any potential trades, maybe a bit quicker. I want to see him get more run as well as I want to see if we need to address the position in the offseason. I just do not think 20 games in is the end all.
He's been playing basketball his whole life and supposedly has a high bball iq. It's not that difficult to teach someone like that. He didn't forget how to play basketball.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
Definitely Stan being Stan. A quote from a new article out on the Athletic.
Link to the article LINK /
quote:
Mason Ginsberg @MasonGinsberg 6m
From @joevardon:
"Van Gundy fought vice president David Griffin on this for a couple of weeks but relented and has committed to playing second-year guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker."
Well then
Link to the article LINK /
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:08 pm to NOSHAU
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So every player who has every played basketball should be able to play in the NBA immediately? We are only 20 games in and have a lot of guards on the team. Sorry if I do not agree that a guy should automatically get major run just because he was the newest toy in the toy box. I would expect he will get more run as the season progresses and based on any potential trades, maybe a bit quicker.
He should when you spend a lot on this new toy and the the other toys ahead of him are broken lol and also, especially when this new toy may provide exactly what the team needs in his style of play
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:10 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
"Van Gundy fought vice president David Griffin on this for a couple of weeks but relented and has committed to playing second-year guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker."
Yeah this could come as no surprise given all we know about SVG's history with young players.
It really makes him a weird hire in retrospect.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:11 pm to TigerinATL
quote:If true, there seems to be a pretty big disconnect between Griff and SVG. Also, is it a bit odd for Griff to be that hands on regarding a players playing time? Not sure this ends well.
Definitely Stan being Stan. A quote from a new article out on the Athletic.
quote:
Mason Ginsberg @MasonGinsberg 6m
From @joevardon:
"Van Gundy fought vice president David Griffin on this for a couple of weeks but relented and has committed to playing second-year guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker."
Well then
Link to the article LINK /
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:11 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
"Van Gundy fought vice president David Griffin on this for a couple of weeks but relented and has committed to playing second-year guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker."
So was he trying to use a 2 man rotation off the bench? lol
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:11 pm to Fun Bunch
I think Griffin and SVG were both terrible hires
Yet again we've wasted a superstar's tenure here
At what point does Gail become responsible for all these terrible re-tread hires?
Yet again we've wasted a superstar's tenure here
At what point does Gail become responsible for all these terrible re-tread hires?
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:11 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That's amazing.
"Van Gundy fought vice president David Griffin on this for a couple of weeks but relented and has committed to playing second-year guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker."
He's in year 2, why tf would we not play him? That does you absolutely no good. Then we're playing Bled/JJ/Zo, 3 dudes not in our future plans. And we're not learning anything at all about what NAW will be.
This makes you wonder if Kira will get any more minutes at all this year that are meaningful unless we trade 2 of the 3 guards. Griff said he'd love it if Kira was a "reshirt" this year, and obviously SVG doesn't want to play him.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:12 pm to J_Hingle
quote:How much is "a lot?" The 13th pick in a draft that was not highly thought of? Again, only 20 games and we are starting to hear rumors of trades already. I think his time will come.
He should when you spend a lot on this new toy and the the other toys ahead of him are broken lol and also, especially when this new toy may provide exactly what the team needs in his style of play
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:12 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:I liked both hires at the time, but I am down big time on both at the moment.
I think Griffin and SVG were both terrible hires
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:15 pm to NOSHAU
quote:?
How much is "a lot?" The 13th pick in a draft that was not highly thought of?
What? It is a first round pick in the first half of an NBA draft. If you draft a player this high I expect him to produce, or at least have an opportunity to, especially when the guards ahead of him are struggling/terrible
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:15 pm to NOSHAU
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So every player who has every played basketball should be able to play in the NBA immediately?
Kira has been playing basketball his whole life. I know he's super young, but you do realize that he played 2 years at alabama right, not one? I think many of you think he only played a year at Bama b/c of how young he is right now.
Jaxson barely even played as a junior in high school. Same with Thon Maker in that he didn't start playing until later in life. Your point would be valid with them.
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We are only 20 games in and have a lot of guards on the team. Sorry if I do not agree that a guy should automatically get major run just because he was the newest toy in the toy box.
I have never said i wanted major run from him. It would not be hard to find 12mpg for him early in the season, and if he impresses, then start giving him more.
I dont' want to trade Bledsoe. I want JJ and Lonzo gone. I want Bledsoe to remain the starter at the PG, and NAW start as the 2. I'd like Kira to be the back up PG and i'd like to find another young 2/3 to be a backup behind NAW/BI/Hart, hopefully someone we get in the JJ/Lonzo trades. That's why i woud'nt mind getting back Sato, or trying to get back Pritchard/Langford/Nesmith from Boston.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:20 pm to J_Hingle
quote:13th picks is not usually an automatic starter from day 1. I think it took until mid-season before Booker got consistent run. Lavine was a little earlier, but he struggled initially and spend a while just getting garbage time before they gave him another shot. He will get his time. 20 games in is not the time to panic.
What? It is a first round pick in the first half of an NBA draft. If you draft a player this high I expect him to produce, or at least have an opportunity to, especially when the guards ahead of him are struggling/terrible
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:21 pm to shel311
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Griff said he'd love it if Kira was a "reshirt" this year,
Out of context.
I think what he actually said if you look at the whole thing is trying to force Stan to play him by saying how well he has looked in practice and when he plays, but not outright coming at Stan publicly by using that redshirt line prior to saying how good he looks and that he may force them to play him.
Basically presenting a false unified front with Stan, but bragging about how good he has looked to make people start questioning why Stan isn't playing him so the pressure comes from the outside.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:22 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
13th picks is not usually an automatic starter from day 1
Is anyone asking him to be the automatic starter lol? Im just asking for some minutes off the bench.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Langford played so poorly last year with Boston (and is injured now) that maybe he could be a throw-in in a JJ trade to see if he can be rehabilitated.
I dont' want to trade Bledsoe. I want JJ and Lonzo gone. I want Bledsoe to remain the starter at the PG, and NAW start as the 2. I'd like Kira to be the back up PG and i'd like to find another young 2/3 to be a backup behind NAW/BI/Hart, hopefully someone we get in the JJ/Lonzo trades. That's why i woud'nt mind getting back Sato, or trying to get back Pritchard/Langford/Nesmith from Boston.
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