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re: Kings and Pels in trade talks …
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:47 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:47 pm to NOSHAU
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You think CJ, at 33 when the season starts is worth 2 1sts at over $63 million guaranteed the next 2 seasons? Not a chance. If so, he likely would be gone by now.
I guess y'all are right. Kind of sucks realizing that.
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Dyson is worth at the bare minimum 1 first, if not 2, and that Lakers 1st has pretty high chance to be in the lottery.
I don’t think many teams would give a first for Dyson. Many on this board would but I doubt other NBA teams would and no way in hell would they give 2 firsts. You think Lakers in a weakened west conference wont make playoffs??
Edit: nevermind just saw your recent post.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:51 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Do you understand the salary cap? Jones would cost significantly more than Jose.
Oh yeah so stupid to upgrade at #2 PG.
We have to upgrade:
#1 Center
#2 PF
#2 Center
#2 PG (upgrade Jose would be next)
#3 SF
Y'all would rather get a third string player that will barely get minutes over upgrading a #2 position?
Murray/ Jose #4
CJ/ Hawk/ Reeves
Trey/ BI/ Ryan
Zion/ #2/ JRE
#1/ #3/ Missi
Like it or hate it unless we trade CJ then Jose is next upgradable position right now besides the obvious.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
Link?
Christian Clark mentioned it in his last podcast.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:53 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Did he? May land some credence to what I heard as well then.
Christian Clark mentioned it in his last podcast.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:54 pm to Dantheman504
I have to agree that keeping Jose is the best move at this point. In order to allocate resources properly, it is more cost effective, team building and from a continuity perspective to just keep Jose.
How many minutes do you expect Tyus to play? We hope Murray can play 32-35 minutes per game. To spend 15 mil for somewhere around 15 minutes per game is not prudent.
How many minutes do you expect Tyus to play? We hope Murray can play 32-35 minutes per game. To spend 15 mil for somewhere around 15 minutes per game is not prudent.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:55 pm to Dantheman504
Dude, please.
A starting line-up with Herb/Dejounte/Trey would be very long and defensive minded around Zion. You can get a solid defensive big with some rim protection for cheap.
A second unit featuring 4 shooters + Zion would be great. And even then Barnes is a good defender and guys like Huerter and Hawkins are pretty long guards. They won't be very good defensively but that's not the point and that's not where the league is. On many nights, defense does not decide the game. Scorers are gonna score. You need to be able to out gun them, especially with your second unit. Make them keep up with you for a change.
A starting line-up with Herb/Dejounte/Trey would be very long and defensive minded around Zion. You can get a solid defensive big with some rim protection for cheap.
A second unit featuring 4 shooters + Zion would be great. And even then Barnes is a good defender and guys like Huerter and Hawkins are pretty long guards. They won't be very good defensively but that's not the point and that's not where the league is. On many nights, defense does not decide the game. Scorers are gonna score. You need to be able to out gun them, especially with your second unit. Make them keep up with you for a change.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:00 pm to NOSHAU
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Do you understand the salary cap? Jones would cost significantly more than Jose
Yes I will make it clear, I'm aware we currently can't sign Tyus as a free agent. It would have to be S&T.
I'm aware Jose cost 3mil for one more year and then either gets 10+ or isn't on our team.
I am also aware Jose is now the most likely player to get traded after BI.
I am also aware backup PG is a very important position and that we currently have 2-3 deep SG/ SF.
I am aware it may be tough depending on who we get at PF/ C salary wise.
But other than PF/ C that is the most important position to upgrade and Jose would be the odd man out if its a possibility.
The upgrade isn't arguable.. The fact of if we can do it or if we would do it is arguable.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:13 pm to Dantheman504
Not concerned at all about backup guard.
CJ, Zion, or Jose are all fine to play “lead guard” for the ~12 minutes that DJ isn’t on the court. He’s played ~35-36 mpg over the past 3 seasons and doesn’t have any injury concerns.
Sure, backup lead guard is next up after starting center, backup center, and backup PF, but it’s so far behind those positions that it’s essentially irrelevant.
CJ, Zion, or Jose are all fine to play “lead guard” for the ~12 minutes that DJ isn’t on the court. He’s played ~35-36 mpg over the past 3 seasons and doesn’t have any injury concerns.
Sure, backup lead guard is next up after starting center, backup center, and backup PF, but it’s so far behind those positions that it’s essentially irrelevant.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:14 pm to Dantheman504
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The upgrade isn't arguable..
I've shown you specific stats and comparisons that would hint Jose is a better piece than Tyus. You going to keep ignoring that?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:15 pm to New City Champ
Still waiting for that solid defensive big with rim protection to appear. Sounds like a unicorn at this point.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:18 pm to Epic Cajun
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Sure, backup lead guard is next up after starting center, backup center, and backup PF, but it’s so far behind those positions that it’s essentially irrelevant.
I don't disagree at all and I understand the salary issue. The emotional "Jose is better" responses are frustrating tho. Everything we do needs to be an upgrade from here on out. Our timeline just started.
As much as we all like CJ and Jose I just don't see either in our long term plans right now and both should be gone for an upgrade asap.
If Jose is a type of player Utah would want for Kessler well....
And if Kessler allows us to take on extra salary well....
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:24 pm to supe12sta12z
There is this one 6'11" guy whose NBA comparison in one guide was Isiah Hartenstein. Anybody got an update? He looked good in Birmingham...
LINK
LINK
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:25 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Except those aren't the actual options.
Let's not make this about money difference knowing the obvious..
Option A is a clear upgrade to backup PG
Option B is being content with a guy you like on a currently good contract.
Option B is going with the guy who can give you 75% of what Tyus Jones does at a fraction of the price AND allows you to add another player with that additional $10-15mil you didn't spend on Tyus Jones. Doesn't seem like you factored that into the calculus.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:26 pm to NOSHAU
quote:So you've been hearing it, but you can't tell us 1 single person you've heard it from?
You have a link to everything you hear from someone who has contacts within organization?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:That was arguably the best 3pt shooter in the NBA last season.
Hes a 32 year old non all star guard making 33 mil and not expiring this year.
Not saying he's worth 2 1sts, but I don't see him as a negative contract we'd have to attach assets to to get rid of.
And even if that's the case, we wait 1 more year, and he's a spicy, large expiring that we can use.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:28 pm to Dantheman504
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. The emotional "Jose is better" responses are frustrating tho.
emotional?
I literally showed you stats showing his impact is better than Jones. You're the one saying he needs to be upgraded emotionally.
And i'm not against upgrading Jose, but it needs to be a very clear upgrade that everyone would say "yeah we had to do that". Tyus Jones ain't that.
quote:
If Jose is a type of player Utah would want for Kessler well....
If Jose is worth the same as Kessler, then I guess we could send them Tyus Jones and get back Lauri too.
quote:
And if Kessler allows us to take on extra salary well....
That is why we need to get Kessler, and it's ok to overpay for it. He's a starting 5 that is cost controlled for 2 more years.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:28 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I'm confused.
This is the general consensus with our special fans.
Lets just surround Zion with 14 SG's, we got this.
You're wanting to pay Tyus Jones $15mil over Jose AND also think we can beef up the center position with more than cheap dudes?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Tyus Jones has a negative NetRtg for on/off the last 2 years. -6 this past year, and -4 the year before. He's a terrible defender, and appears to not really make a tangible difference to the team when he's on the court.
Jose was a +10 NetRtg on/off this past year, which is a big number. We were better offensively with him, as well as defensively. He was +4 last year.
This specific stat hinting Jose was better? Taking Net Rtg from Jose on a team that was top of the West vs Wizards arguably the worst team in the NBA?
Yes it appears he made no difference on the worst team in the NBA and Memphis wouldn't take him back if they had the choice/ money.
Tyus Jones has averaged 11pts/ 6ast the last 2 years with the same steal avg as Jose. Jose's (3) year averages are closer to half of those #'s.
He also shot 37% and 41% from 3pt the last 2 years.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:35 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Previous year when Tyus was with Memphis:
This specific stat hinting Jose was better? Taking Net Rtg from Jose on a team that was top of the West vs Wizards arguably the worst team in the NBA?
Tyus Net Rating: -4.2 | Jose Net Rating +3.9
Year before that when Tyus was still in Memphis:
Tyus Net Rating: +3.5 | Jose Net Rating +11.7
Tyus total Net Rating in Memphis: -2.2 | Jose career Net Rating +8.0
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