re: Kings and Pels in trade talks …

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Sorry I'm not here to fricking fantasize and like unrealistic upgrade scenarios. I'm actually trying to figure this shite out and break it down from the FO side not an emotional fan incapable of seeing past this offseason.

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If that were only the case, some may take your proposals serious. However, you are clearly emotional about a specific overpriced backup PG no matter what the proposal is.

I’m still working under the assumption that we won’t pay the tax, until I see them pay the tax

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The level of stupid arse arguments and pettiness such as comments like "Jose IS better than Tyus" pisses me off.

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That's fine. I would agree that Tyus Jones is a better player than Jose. However, the argument that Jose is more valuable could be made based on his contract and role. If Tyus makes $15 million and Jose less than $2 million, there is an argument that Jones is not that much better than Jose given the role he would play here.

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If Tyus makes $15 million and Jose less than $2 million, there is an argument that Jones is not that much better than Jose given the role he would play here.

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Yes I understood. This wraps into my point of "not seeing the big picture". Tyus to run 2nd unit on a contending team is a match made in heaven. Tyus value + impact + contract at 20mil in (2) years may be way more valuable than Jose value + impact + contract at 10mil in (2) years.

The guys ranked on Tyus level may be getting 30+ mil at that time. The guys ranked by Jose will be still making 10mil. On top of getting shite on for showing Tyus had the best stats last year, I also brought of how well he played on a garbage team. That's another impact category no one considers.

Put Jose on that team and see the efficiency differences.. I also know Jose may not be here long term and isn't crucial while seeing a Tyus fit as long term and having more impact to winning.

I'm talking about big picture things and getting surface value arguments that refuse to even try and see the big picture I'm painting. I try to understand the point of view y'all come from when having a discussion. Because that's how you have a fricking discussion. If no one wants to actually logically think out my ideas then its easy to say "its not logical".

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We have a PG that has averaged ~36 MPG over the last 3 seasons, it’s not an efficient use of cap space to spend >10 million on a backup that doesn’t have positional versatility and is essentially only a 1, and will be regulated to ~12 MPG.

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That's the biggest issue. At his size, in the playoffs, it may be tough to play him many minutes defensively, maybe not much more than Jose would play. So, would he be worth the extra cost?

Jose being better than Tyus isn’t a bad take. Someone already mentioned the On/Off numbers but Jose is better in all the major advanced stats that are used:

Jose Lebron: (O: -.3; D: +.09; T: -.21)
Tyus Lebron: (O: +.74; D -1.15; T: -.41)

Jose EPM: (O: -.8; D: +1.8; T: +1.0)
Tyus EPM: (O: +1.6; D: -2.4; T: -.8)

Jose DPM: (O: -.4; D: +1.1: T: +.7)
Tyus DPM: (O: -.4; D: -1.3; T: -1.7)

Y'all are also looking at "Jose is fine on a cheap contract on this current team"

While I'm thinking "Tyus would be strong leader on the 2nd unit of a future contender".

See the thought difference? Even if I'm not agreed with then I'd appreciate a decent conversation or back and forth talking about those type of situations. I don't get that, its just emotional responses because of love for our players or simple "that won't work", "that doesn't fit", "we don't have the money" when that's actually just blatantly incorrect.

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Y'all are also looking at "Jose is fine on a cheap contract on this current team" While I'm thinking "Tyus would be strong leader on the 2nd unit of a future contender".

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In the playoffs DJ should be playing 40+ MPG, I don’t think the difference between wins and losses will be Tyus vs Jose in those other 8 minutes, and I don’t think either is viable in any other position other than the 1.

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Y'all run away people that actually want to discuss legit things over how you feel about them or a specific player they talked about.

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Ok cool. Talking about Tyus Jones vs Jose is boring and we’ve done it enough already now. Maybe start a thread for it so we can avoid it and not bog down this thread with literally the most insignificant trade I could possibly imagine.

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 Talking about Tyus Jones vs Jose is boring and we’ve done it enough already now. Maybe start a thread for it so we can avoid it and not bog down this thread with literally the most insignificant trade I could possibly imagine.

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I've posted several trades with many moving pieces and Tyus gets singled out on them or that's the ONLY response to my post. I've expressed several times how much that's aggravated me as well. I've also gotten blatant "no's" to the logic behind it. So this post is also part of the problem...

So logically I'm not allowed to add a player to a trade or post because other people aren't capable of having a legit conversation? I guess I'm sorry.