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re: KAT wants to be traded from the Wolves
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:20 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm with you. Townes to me seems like the guy you want more on your fantasy team than on your actual team. Compiles numbers, but doesn't seem to affect games in the other less-measurable ways. I mean, do other teams seem to shy away from driving the lane when he's in? Does he seem to have a great bearing on spacing for the rest of the Wolves offensively? Can we really say other players on Minnesota's squad are better offensively because of the way the ball flows through him? I dunno...it seems like he's one of those guys who so blows us away with the eye test as far as his athletic ability at his size goes that we assume he's having a lot bigger influence on winning games than maybe he actually does.
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:37 pm to Soggymoss
So you wanna give up 6 first round picks and 3 recent former first round picks for KAT. And we just traded AD who is a better player for 3 first rounders and two recent former first rounders?? Alrighty then.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:22 am to Townedrunkard
Again, that's the absolute MAX.
Also, look at my other posts
Also, you would have to look at where those Laker picks were that we got.
Ball #2 overall
Ingram #2 overall
#4 pick
I said I would try to hold Hayes back if at all possible and would send Favors out for other pieces.
Assume Hayes is able to be held back, Ball would be the only player picked in the lottery.
With that roster, none of the other picks being sent out would be lottery picks
Also, look at my other posts
Also, you would have to look at where those Laker picks were that we got.
Ball #2 overall
Ingram #2 overall
#4 pick
I said I would try to hold Hayes back if at all possible and would send Favors out for other pieces.
Assume Hayes is able to be held back, Ball would be the only player picked in the lottery.
With that roster, none of the other picks being sent out would be lottery picks
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 5:26 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:38 am to Soggymoss
I can’t believe y’all have done 8 pages of this crap.
Towns is one of the worst defending big men in the league. His offense is not worth the liability he is on defense, at the price he’ll cost. The wolves with Towns this season are the worst defense in the league by rating, but improved to the top 3 when Towns has been out this year. They’ve shown similar differences in the past as well. Offensively they lost some rating, going down from 16th to one of the worst offensive teams in the league. But again that’s not worth his cost and massive defensive failings
Towns is one of the worst defending big men in the league. His offense is not worth the liability he is on defense, at the price he’ll cost. The wolves with Towns this season are the worst defense in the league by rating, but improved to the top 3 when Towns has been out this year. They’ve shown similar differences in the past as well. Offensively they lost some rating, going down from 16th to one of the worst offensive teams in the league. But again that’s not worth his cost and massive defensive failings
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:58 am to Upperdecker
It’s a sore spot and why I would not personally give up The Godfather package for him, but it’s not an aspect that can’t be corrected. The on/off you are referring to is also a tad bit misleading.
In that the stretch being compared without Towns were against the easiest stretch of their season, with games against Cleveland, an abysmal shooting Nets, Sacramento, Golden State etc. The overall net rating of the team is still better with Towns than without. But the criticism is fair and while the sample size is not great, it is a trend that is not unique to this season. And for Towns to ever be considered as good as Embiid or AD, he is going to have to improve his defense and remain consistent in executing it. His offense is as good or better than both, but if Griffin were willing to cash in his chips for him, you would have to expect he sees a path to unlocking that part of Towns game for it to be optimal to making us a true contender. Which I do think adding Towns is capable of making us in a season or so with good health.
In that the stretch being compared without Towns were against the easiest stretch of their season, with games against Cleveland, an abysmal shooting Nets, Sacramento, Golden State etc. The overall net rating of the team is still better with Towns than without. But the criticism is fair and while the sample size is not great, it is a trend that is not unique to this season. And for Towns to ever be considered as good as Embiid or AD, he is going to have to improve his defense and remain consistent in executing it. His offense is as good or better than both, but if Griffin were willing to cash in his chips for him, you would have to expect he sees a path to unlocking that part of Towns game for it to be optimal to making us a true contender. Which I do think adding Towns is capable of making us in a season or so with good health.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:03 am to Bronc
Towns isn’t worth the cost. You can’t take a liability on defense and pay max contract and multiple 1st rounders for him
His defense has trended poorly his entire career. It’s not an isolated thing to this year. The ratings difference may be more extreme this year. But he’s always been a liability on defense. Teams know to attack him now too
His defense has trended poorly his entire career. It’s not an isolated thing to this year. The ratings difference may be more extreme this year. But he’s always been a liability on defense. Teams know to attack him now too
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:45 am to Upperdecker
To reemphasize, I already agree I wouldn’t pay a kings ransom for him personally. But I wouldn’t lose my mind if Griffin/Langdon/Finch see something in pursuing him above what I would pay. On net he is still a borderline elite player in this league and the best offensive big man that compliments our current core very well.
His defensive problems are maturity related though, not physical limitations ala guys like Love or Okafor. Which it needs to be noted because players like Love don’t really have room to get better, players like KAT do.
And maturity in the sense that he seems to be behind the learning curve, but that is correctable with effort and natural growth as a player as you age in the league. He plays better his second year in schemes and struggles when things are changed on him. He struggled like this his first year with Thibs, then rebounded and played much better the following season. Now he has had his role and system altered again with Saunders and a new D coach, and the drop off is back similar to his first season under Thibs. His overall biggest problems are in his reads around the rim and in pick and roll. Not really athletic deficiencies. Which are typically things that do improve as a player enters their prime. Which KAT will be doing soon.
All of this is really moot though because they aren’t trading him any time soon.
His defensive problems are maturity related though, not physical limitations ala guys like Love or Okafor. Which it needs to be noted because players like Love don’t really have room to get better, players like KAT do.
And maturity in the sense that he seems to be behind the learning curve, but that is correctable with effort and natural growth as a player as you age in the league. He plays better his second year in schemes and struggles when things are changed on him. He struggled like this his first year with Thibs, then rebounded and played much better the following season. Now he has had his role and system altered again with Saunders and a new D coach, and the drop off is back similar to his first season under Thibs. His overall biggest problems are in his reads around the rim and in pick and roll. Not really athletic deficiencies. Which are typically things that do improve as a player enters their prime. Which KAT will be doing soon.
All of this is really moot though because they aren’t trading him any time soon.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:24 pm to Bronc
This has been a fun discussion. It shows how difficult it is to put a value on a player who has been the NBA's 3rd-best offensive player this season (after Harden and Luka), but who also ranks in the 2nd percentile as a defender.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:20 am to Bronc
quote:
His overall biggest problems are in his reads around the rim and in pick and roll. Not really athletic deficiencies. Which are typically things that do improve as a player enters their prime. Which KAT will be doing soon.
low basketball IQ.
Bu he can be trained.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:37 am to CelticDog
quote:
His overall biggest problems are in his reads around the rim and in pick and roll.
for a 2020 center what else is there?
My guess: DNGAF
Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:39 pm to CelticDog
Internet has this example:
Gsw gives up russell, 2020 first round (conveys to brooklyn if 21st or worse.
And 2022 first.
That looks like a lot to me.
A lottery or mid first 2020 and an unknown unprotected 2022.
And russell. Avg 23 on 55% shooting.
Are other teams really backing up the brinks truck for kat?
Gsw gives up russell, 2020 first round (conveys to brooklyn if 21st or worse.
And 2022 first.
That looks like a lot to me.
A lottery or mid first 2020 and an unknown unprotected 2022.
And russell. Avg 23 on 55% shooting.
Are other teams really backing up the brinks truck for kat?
Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:46 pm to CelticDog
That's probably assuming GS gets the first overall
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:05 pm to Soggymoss
Detroit is talking to teams about Drummond
They must be planning on going full rebuild
They must be planning on going full rebuild
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:12 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
Detroit is talking to teams about Drummond
woj says ATL at the moment.
they have turner's and parsons' contracts to trade plus a shitload of (other team's) picks
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:23 pm to cgrand
Yeah he’s not worth it anyway. He’s gonna get overpaid. He’s not worth giving up a 1st for
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:31 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Talking with Atlanta. I would assume they would want a 1st and a young player coupled with Parsons' contract.
Detroit is talking to teams about Drummond
They must be planning on going full rebuild
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:38 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Talking with Atlanta. I would assume they would want a 1st and a young player coupled with Parsons' contract.
1st yes
parsons' contract yes
young player, no way (if i'm ATL)
if DET is discussing trades that means either drummond already told them he's not picking up his option, or they just dont want him. either way, they dont have leverage and drummond is not AD
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:38 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
That's probably assuming GS gets the first overall
But...
minnesota & you can't assume #1 overall if deal is this month.
If February team is kat, curry, green and current roster minus russell they could get to 8th seed.
Maybe the 15th pick overall.
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:39 pm to CelticDog
They aren’t trading KAT this season anyway
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:41 pm to CelticDog
Rumors are GS will wait until after the season to make any moves because they will have alot more leverage if they end up with #1
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