re: Jrue for the Bulls or Suns first pick?

That’s not true. He wouldn’t go for the first, probably not even the second pick and maybe not the third. But he would absolutely go for anything after that.

Jrue went for the #6 pick in a bad draft plus a future pick (top 3 protected) when we acquired him in about 2015.

I think we could get the 4 or 5 straight up in this draft for him, possibly the 3 depending on who stands out in the tier below Zion and Ja.

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Strong chance we start the season with Randle and Jrue

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Randle hasn't been a guy that does winning things on the court. He plays hard, but he there is a lot of "me first" to his game.

Holiday is a pro's pro and a very good player. He's not a guy you build a team around though.

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Dont know why we would want to go backwards for a future rebuild that might/ might not work.

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Holding on to Holiday and Randle and trying to build around almost certainly won't work. Progress isn't linear. Sometimes you have to take a step back or a step to the side to make a big leap forward.

The Pelicans should be thinking years down the line, not just about this season or next. Where do they want to be as a franchise on and off the court in 5 years? Does a particular move help or hurt them as they go for that goal?

The Pelicans should absolutely not be afraid of dealing Holiday. There's no rush to do it; he's a great player for the team and the city right now. He's a stable presence in an unstable time.

But, if we think about 5 years from now, what are the chances he still be around and integral to the success of, hopefully, a 50 win team? Again, that doesn't mean you move him immediately, but we shouldn't be focused only on the 19/20 Pels.

From where they are now, it will take years to build out a winning team both on and off the court

It's all about where teams are and what they want. Ja Morant should have more value to most teams than Jrue when you consider salary but if you are the Bulls or Suns, the last thing you want to do is bring in another 19 year old

Jrue comes to Chicago and he becomes the leader. He gets Lavine to stop chucking and gets Lauri the ball. He makes them respectable right away. Ja goes there and he is just another guy hoisting shots and playing bad D as the team lingers with no direction. Same with Phoenix. They don't need another 19 year old.

Cleveland on the other hand, they still need to add more high level young talent before bringing in their vet leaders.

Jrue isn't "worth" the number 2 or 3 pick in all scenarios. But he is definitely worth it in some

I know that Nets team is fun and all, but it doesn't make the playoffs this year in the West and the upside is very limited.

I am all for swinging for a solid team that will always compete but never really contend, but while fans say they want that, I see that when they actually get it, then its not good enough for them. The Clippers, for example, were awesome in those CP3 years but fans were disappointed in the final two years of it. 50+ wins and 2nd round wasn't good enough for them, even though they would have killed for that 5 years prior.

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Peyton
Jrue
Tatum
Randle
Oak
Brown
Moore

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Kind of reminds me of the roster Nets assembled.

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I agree. The Nets roster won 42 games in the East. I hope for a better long term outcome.

Listen, that's a fine start to the post Davis era, aside from the abysmal frontcourt options. Even here, they're still playing for 3 years from now with Tatum entering his prime as an elite primary option plus all those picks hopefully landing or turning into players who can help.

It's about the next years, not the next season. Record next year is irrelevant to me and it should be for them. I want to worry less about W/L next year and track other markers of progress

Part of Doc’s issues was that the dual role of GM and coach didn’t work out well.

Him trading for his son ended up being the beginning of the end for them.

I think it might be the best chip for trade value but I am not confident that it will be a great asset when it actually comes time to use it. Similar to the Minny pick we got in the CP3 trade. People coveted that for YEARS and then when it actually came time to use it, it was the 10th pick and the prospects on the board were 'meh'

I would look at flipping that pick in a trade if I find teams have a high evaluation of it

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Not every rebuild is the Process.

Look at Atlanta. That team was a blast to watch the last couple of months and seems to be on it's way to building a winner.

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From Griffin's perspective I think any trade of Jrue would have to be for the right guy in this year's draft, not because he thinks great drafts are coming. Something like Jrue and 7 for Ja and Carter maybe could fit a rebuild trade that wouldn't be about committing to The Process.

Even that I really don't think interests Griffin much. Listen to what he said as an analyst when the AD trade demand broke. Mike Fratello asked if he'd trade AD and Jrue at the deadline to tank. Griffin's response?

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Boy I sure don't. I wouldn't go that far I don't think in that market. I don't think they can withstand that kind of a rebuild, and frankly I really am very high on Jrue Holiday by way of example. I don't think you're that terribly far away from being competitive if that's what ownership has set out to be. If what you want to do is start over again, you can still put yourself in a position to play more young kids and recoup young assets down the road for Anthony Davis and still in the Western Conference not be a playoff team. Your pick's going to be preserved simply by the virtue of the fact that this upheaval has happened.

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That is based on assumptions about the market before he got here, but have we really seen anything to suggest that his assumptions about a full rebuild were wrong? Back then it sounded like his Plan A would be rebuild around Jrue and all we've seen/heard so far confirms that it's still Plan A, maybe even Plan B behind convincing AD to stay.

I don’t think the quote I posted is about not trading Jrue no matter what, I think it’s about the economic realities of a small market team which he’s very familiar with. I just don’t see him intentionally aiming for the 2020/21 drafts but I could see him getting there unintentionally if he really loved a top 5 prospect this year.