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Josh Hart with 23 points in his Blazers debut
Posted on 2/12/22 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 7:16 pm
Only 1 rebound though 
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 7:18 pm to yaboidarrell
We all miss Josh, and I know some of you are hoping he comes back next year as a free agent. But the best case scenario for the Pels is that Trey develops and takes those backup wing minutes.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 9:43 pm to TigerinATL
hart started at g.
portland ran justise winslow at the 3.
portland ran justise winslow at the 3.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 9:51 pm to CelticDog
They heard he was one of the best rebounding guards and ran with it not understanding that he’s been an undersized SF most his career.
Hart has shown growth since entering the league. I wouldn’t have started him at guard two years ago. To his credit though, he’s found his niche on the court.
Brings me to an infamous Anthony Edwards quote referencing Josh Hart during a matchup this season… “Man they playing football out here.” That pretty much sums up my feelings on Hart’s guard skills.
Hart has shown growth since entering the league. I wouldn’t have started him at guard two years ago. To his credit though, he’s found his niche on the court.
Brings me to an infamous Anthony Edwards quote referencing Josh Hart during a matchup this season… “Man they playing football out here.” That pretty much sums up my feelings on Hart’s guard skills.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:16 pm to yaboidarrell
Offensively he looks completely different from when he was here. Bonafide starter material
Plus he's eliminated that fall back thing shooting a three like he did here. What is going on?
Plus he's eliminated that fall back thing shooting a three like he did here. What is going on?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:39 pm to yaboidarrell
I definitely think bringing CJ here was a great move, but we need to figure out how to replace Josh’s defense in the worst way.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:41 pm to touchdownjeebus
Josh was maybe 50 to 60% of CJs offense with 100% better defense
It's time to realise this was a sort sighted and job saving move by Griffin
It's time to realise this was a sort sighted and job saving move by Griffin
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:58 pm to touchdownjeebus
Honestly BI needs to step up, end of story.
You now have CJ McCollum on the team, a bonafide playmaker that can drop 20-30 any given night, Jonas, another grit and grind player that can give you 20-10 any night.
The excuse to this point has been that BI has to do so much offensively, and is so beat down because teams can double and be physical with him from whistle to whistle that you have to hide him and let him rest defensively because it’s just too much to ask.
But that excuse runs dry when CJ is now here to take 20+ possessions a night out of his hands and make life on that end much easier.
BI needs to stop taking the opposing teams weakest perimeter player or forward and take that second best player and take pride in it. If he doesn’t, we are basically asking Herb to cover the entire perimeter and that is simply not possible
You now have CJ McCollum on the team, a bonafide playmaker that can drop 20-30 any given night, Jonas, another grit and grind player that can give you 20-10 any night.
The excuse to this point has been that BI has to do so much offensively, and is so beat down because teams can double and be physical with him from whistle to whistle that you have to hide him and let him rest defensively because it’s just too much to ask.
But that excuse runs dry when CJ is now here to take 20+ possessions a night out of his hands and make life on that end much easier.
BI needs to stop taking the opposing teams weakest perimeter player or forward and take that second best player and take pride in it. If he doesn’t, we are basically asking Herb to cover the entire perimeter and that is simply not possible
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:03 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:
It's time to realise this was a sort sighted and job saving move by Griffin
Dude, the trade is 3 days old.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:27 pm to Bronc
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Honestly BI needs to step up, end of story.
Let’s revisit this soon because I don’t disagree. I just think BI will be fine. BI started this game off great after a rough last outing. He just didn’t make many impactful basketball plays tonight outside of displaying his outer worldly shot making ability.
I stand on… Ingram needs to attempt more 3s, play solid defense(use his length), rebound, and pass only when necessary lol.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:50 pm to Bronc
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we are basically asking Herb to cover the entire perimeter and that is simply not possible
That's exactly what we're doing when you have terrible perimeter defenders. It's not fair on Herb to cover like 4 guys
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:52 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:So you think Portland has changed him in one game huh? Really? Maybe it is because he is on a team with very limited offensive options and he is able to take a bigger offensive load.
Offensively he looks completely different from when he was here. Bonafide starter material
Plus he's eliminated that fall back thing shooting a three like he did here. What is going on?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:54 pm to Bronc
Amazing how some jump to conclusions 3 days into a trade. Laughable.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:52 am to Bronc
I'd love for Ingram to step up on defense. So I agree with this totally. I'm just not sold on the bigger line up, dropping Jones or Ingram down to defend two guards. We will just be too slow, especially with so many teams running 3 guard lineups regularly. But there aren't a ton of options.
How would play them? I know a lot of people want to play Alvarado and Hayes more. So let's say..
Ingram 35
Val 33
McCollum 35
Jones 33
Alvarado 32
Hayes 32
I'm nervous giving those two that much time now (I believe they are more effective in short bursts). They have never played that much before. But let's say we do. That still leaves 40 minutes to divide up in-between Temple, Graham, Hernangomez, Marshall and Murphy. Unless we want to start pushing those top 6 to huge mph, some in that bottom 5 are going to play significantly..
How would play them? I know a lot of people want to play Alvarado and Hayes more. So let's say..
Ingram 35
Val 33
McCollum 35
Jones 33
Alvarado 32
Hayes 32
I'm nervous giving those two that much time now (I believe they are more effective in short bursts). They have never played that much before. But let's say we do. That still leaves 40 minutes to divide up in-between Temple, Graham, Hernangomez, Marshall and Murphy. Unless we want to start pushing those top 6 to huge mph, some in that bottom 5 are going to play significantly..
Posted on 2/13/22 at 5:53 am to Bronc
Ingram should be better, but I don't see him as ever being much more than average.
And even if Ingram improves, it is going to be hard to play McCollum/Graham/Valanciunas together much and expect to have a defense that isn't a tire fire. And that's before adding Zion back to the mix.
I like the trade. It helps a lot with backcourt issues on offense. But defense was a problem before and is still one.
And even if Ingram improves, it is going to be hard to play McCollum/Graham/Valanciunas together much and expect to have a defense that isn't a tire fire. And that's before adding Zion back to the mix.
I like the trade. It helps a lot with backcourt issues on offense. But defense was a problem before and is still one.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 8:18 am to corndeaux
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Ingram should be better, but I don't see him as ever being much more than average.
The thing is that later in LA he was a good to very good defender.
The thing here is for three seasons we’ve basically treated him Like the Warriors used to do with Curry, and hide him on the opposing teams worst offensive non-center.
Which was fine when you had Jrue/Lonzo, Lonzo/Hart, and Hart/Herb. But we just have Herb now, Herb is foul prone and not being given the benefit of whistles, and that means we need someone to step up and take the second assignment and do it at a solid level. And that really can only be BI right now.
And ultimately what SVG and other observers have said is true, our team will be capped long term by how much effort and success BI/Zion have defensively.
If both are just going to be one-way players, hiding themselves on the defense, we are going to be running into hard walls in the playoffs and getting bounced to the point the duo simply won’t cut it.
And frankly there just is no excuse period, when guys like Brown and Tatum are also of high usage and putting in maximal effort defensively as well
Posted on 2/13/22 at 9:03 am to Bronc
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our team will be capped long term by how much effort and success BI/Zion have defensively
hence my wish to see zion at 238 lbs. hes no dukie defender at 280ish. hes a one trick pony = inside.
stan was right. all hands on the rope. maximum effort.
the kings new guy sabonis seems to have changed the offense. hes the boss now. he yells at guys standing around on offense.
i suspect its going to be after zion shows out his defense that zion can captain the pels team that way.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 9:27 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:
Josh was maybe 50 to 60% of CJs offense with 100% better defense
It's time to realise this was a sort sighted and job saving move by Griffin
I thought Hart's contract was about to run? If he wants to be here and we need him he will be here when it runs. If he doesn't want to be here we would not have had him for long anyway.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 9:28 am to Bronc
When I say average, he just needs to care more and not fall asleep constantly. Going from where he is to that would be huge.
Curry comp is weird. He's above average. He works hard, executes the scheme. He's just small. And the Warriors understand his limits and built a roster to cover them. If you're building a roster and asking Ingram to be force on defense, you've lost the plot
Those defenses largely sucked too. Not because they needed Ingram on ball, but because he and Zion were garbage off ball. Just a small improvement there would be a huge difference for the team. No matter how locked up Holiday or Herb have a guy, if one teammate in the back falls asleep for a second, thats a bucket. Likewise, you can get by with non lock down defenders if you know scheme + execute.
Yup. I thought for a while last year that they should trade Ingram.
If the presumptive best 5 are:
McCollum
Ingram
Jones
Zion
Valanciunas
they will score a ton. They will also give up a ton because that's 4 weak to mediocre defenders. Just small improvements in give a damn from Zion and Ingram could help keep the offense ahead
Curry comp is weird. He's above average. He works hard, executes the scheme. He's just small. And the Warriors understand his limits and built a roster to cover them. If you're building a roster and asking Ingram to be force on defense, you've lost the plot
quote:
Jrue/Lonzo, Lonzo/Hart, and Hart/Herb
Those defenses largely sucked too. Not because they needed Ingram on ball, but because he and Zion were garbage off ball. Just a small improvement there would be a huge difference for the team. No matter how locked up Holiday or Herb have a guy, if one teammate in the back falls asleep for a second, thats a bucket. Likewise, you can get by with non lock down defenders if you know scheme + execute.
quote:
ultimately what SVG and other observers have said is true, our team will be capped long term by how much effort and success BI/Zion have defensively.
Yup. I thought for a while last year that they should trade Ingram.
If the presumptive best 5 are:
McCollum
Ingram
Jones
Zion
Valanciunas
they will score a ton. They will also give up a ton because that's 4 weak to mediocre defenders. Just small improvements in give a damn from Zion and Ingram could help keep the offense ahead
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/13/22 at 9:33 am to corndeaux
And if you can get Zion/Ingram to give a damn, that opens up some interesting lineups down the line.
What can you put around Zion/Ingram/Herb if those first 2 care? Herb at the 5...
What can you put around Zion/Ingram/Herb if those first 2 care? Herb at the 5...
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