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re: Joe Dumars knows what he's doing?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:35 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:35 pm to Dantheman504
You’re right, and it is a bit of revisionist history since Haliburton tore his Achilles AFTER the trade and it’s easy to believe they’d be back as a top seed in the East with Hali healthy. But there was just no reason to make that trade while the season was still ongoing. That was pretty much the only good asset we got for BI and we farted it away.
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Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:37 pm to Mr_BoudinBall
Spurs ahead of schedule on their rebuild. Then we got the Rockets who have rebuilt nicely from the James Harden fiasco. Don’t look like the Lakers will go away. Thunder a powerhouse now. Nuggets.
We got our hands full for years.
We got our hands full for years.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 3:14 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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But there was just no reason to make that trade while the season was still ongoing.
I disagree. Yes there was no reason we HAD to make the trade but you do not know if the trade is still available during the offseason. They were clearly focused on winning the championship and the second that's over its offseason focus.
We did it before they took offers/ calls from 20 other teams during the offseason with extra time to think on the trades.
We did it while they were distracted, the value looked good, the statistic looked good.
Worst case scenario happened. The best thing we could have done was turn that pick into a good player (Queen). We took a worst case scenario and made the best out of it.
We took chances on picks and failed. Then we took a chance on a player and won. Now people are upset and want us to fail with picks.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 3:21 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Utah is gonna be good.
Dallas is gonne be pretty good too.
Portland is on the up.
Utah starting 5 looks really good to me on paper.
George is turning into a star.
Lauri
Bailey
JJJ
Kessler
That's a lineup with shooting, scoring, insane length and shot blocking too.
Dallas has a young star in Flagg, Kyrie, some decent bigs and another top pick along with some pretty good role players.
Portland is kind of stuck in no man's land like us but improving.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 3:31 pm to Dantheman504
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The Pacers are purposefully tanking now that they have control of their pick. They let go of Turner after they got their pick, they didn't add any extra players after the got their pick, they have been absolutely terrible because they want to be bad.
They didn’t just let him go. They tried to get him back, but the Bucks offered more money. They were shocked he left, or so they said in the media. He never gave them a chance to match the deal.
And you had many posters arguing with me before the season they’d still be a playoff team losing both of them. B/c the east is so weak.
All in all, still a stupid trade to make while their season was still going on. No reason for it. And there’s a chance it could slip to 5. It’s happened before. And we’d own it.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 3/19/26 at 3:35 pm to Dantheman504
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We did it while they were distracted, the value looked good, the statistic looked good.
Or maybe they did it b/c Haliburton was already hurt and they knew it was a possibility of him tearing it. A few posters called it in a thread before it happened. Better believe their people knew it was a chance.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 3/19/26 at 4:24 pm to Dantheman504
quote:You cannot possibly believe that. We were the ones who held their pick. Who were they calling?There was absolutely ZERO reason to make that trade right after Haliburton got hurt and was warned that he could risk further injury by continuing to play. The Pacers saw a sucker in Dumars and rushed the trade. They were in the middle of a championship series, they had no reason to make a trade at that point otherwise.
I disagree. Yes there was no reason we HAD to make the trade but you do not know if the trade is still available during the offseason. They were clearly focused on winning the championship and the second that's over its offseason focus.
We did it before they took offers/ calls from 20 other teams during the offseason with extra time to think on the trades.
We did it while they were distracted, the value looked good, the statistic looked good.
Worst case scenario happened. The best thing we could have done was turn that pick into a good player (Queen). We took a worst case scenario and made the best out of it.
We took chances on picks and failed. Then we took a chance on a player and won. Now people are upset and want us to fail with picks.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:11 am to jmcwhrter
I get your point, I guess, but I miss his energy…
Posted on 3/20/26 at 9:35 am to NOSHAU
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You cannot possibly believe that. We were the ones who held their pick.
We held their #22 pick that they traded to us? I know what you are saying but it had nothing to do with my comment.
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The Pacers saw a sucker in Dumars
These are all professional sports organizations. Whether you think someone is a "sucker" or not is wholly your opinion. A sucker that's managing a $5 billion company? Do y'all here yourself? Why does everything have to be doom/ gloom, winners/ losers, a genius/ retard?
It can be lose/ lose, win/win, smart decisions that didn't workout, bad decisions that can work out, a risk, a chance, etccc.
It doesn't have to be the worst thing ever everytime we actually make am attempt to change things. Y'all want things to change so bad but shite on every single thing done no matter how good or how bad.
Y'all criticize more than you think and you think about criticism more than reason.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 10:04 am to Dantheman504
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I disagree. Yes there was no reason we HAD to make the trade but you do not know if the trade is still available during the offseason. They were clearly focused on winning the championship and the second that's over its offseason focus.
We did it before they took offers/ calls from 20 other teams during the offseason with extra time to think on the trades.
We did it while they were distracted, the value looked good, the statistic looked good.
This is some serious mental gymnastics going on here. Wow
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Worst case scenario happened
Agreed. That part was bad luck. but if you make a smart decision before hand then that type of worst case scenario isn't even on the table.
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Now people are upset and want us to fail with picks.
I don't think anybody wants anything even remotely close to that. I think most people call a spade a spade and not try and spin dumb decisions to stry and make them look smart.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 10:24 am to Dantheman504
One thing is for certain, once Haliburton went out with that injury, that pick became infinitely more valuable. Especially to the Pacers. We could have got more from them back rather than just the pick that year from them. Or used that pick to the Hawks instead
Any gm wouldn’t be that idiotic to make that trade while they are still playing. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one traded that early before the draft. There was just no reason for it.
Pacers absolutely found a sucker in Dumars.
Any gm wouldn’t be that idiotic to make that trade while they are still playing. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one traded that early before the draft. There was just no reason for it.
Pacers absolutely found a sucker in Dumars.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/20/26 at 10:28 am to Townedrunkard
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Well it was the Pacers pick that’s currently #1 right now.
Well, that pick would still belong to the Pacers then b/c that pick was top 4 protected, you know, how most 1st round picks that are traded are protected, unless you're the idiot GM of the Pels and trade away your 1st unprotected.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 1:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Well, that pick would still belong to the Pacers then b/c that pick was top 4 protected, you know, how most 1st round picks that are traded are protected, unless you're the idiot GM of the Pels and trade away your 1st unprotected.
But if it doesn’t hit, we gave away the #5 pick. It’s happened before
Posted on 3/20/26 at 2:32 pm to Townedrunkard
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Or maybe they did it b/c Haliburton was already hurt and they knew it was a possibility of him tearing it. A few posters called it in a thread before it happened. Better believe their people knew it was a chance.
Yeah I never once said this wasn't true? That's the problem with disagreements on here... Everyone has to be right or everyone wrong, I'm saying that it can both be true you dense fricks. I can't help that y'all actually believe every single thing we do is dumb, retarded, or at a disadvantage. Nothing I say can change that its absolutely implanted in your brains subconsciously.
Pacers were probably 50/50 on even letting Hali play 100% the final game. Securing their pick gave them the green light to play Hali without restrictions.
Which is important because that would have to be done BEFORE that game. So AGAIN, we tried to take advantage of the situation and make a good deal with both teams technically under pressure.
Y'all act like us doing the trade was in spite of Hali when the ONLY REASON THE TRADE HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE OF HALI AND HIS AVAILABILITY.
We gambled the chance that Hali wouldn't tear his
Achilles with only 48min left in the season. We lost, that's it. The trade was on the table because IND wanted Hali to play the final game but wanted reassurance.
If he doesn't get hurt then they keep Turner, they add other pieces, they don't slow roll their players back into the lineup this year and they could easily have a pick behind #22.
Y'all are talking like there wasn't a chance that Hali didn't tear his achilles, which is actually retarded.
Y'alls logic is that the Pacers:
1. Knew without a doubt that Haliburton would tear his achilles in game 7
2. Played him anyway knowing he would be out a whole season.
3. Laughed at us because they knew they'd lose a Top 20 player for the season.
4. Was for sure going to trade #22 no matter what happened in the Championship
Now THAT'S mental gymnastics.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 2:44 pm to Dantheman504
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Pacers were probably 50/50 on even letting Hali play 100% the final game. Securing their pick gave them the green light to play Hali without restrictions.
Lol. They were playing for a championship. That pick had nothing to do with it. He was playing regardless….
Posted on 3/20/26 at 2:52 pm to Dantheman504
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If he doesn't get hurt then they keep Turner, they add other pieces, they don't slow roll their players back into the lineup this year and they could easily have a pick behind #22
That’s no guarantee. Bucks gave him a contract and he had to sign it or pass. He didn’t give the Pavers a chance to match.
Who could they add to try and compete? Or the better question, you know your best player is out for the year, so why would you make win now moves to try and compete with him being out for the year? That’s just dumb.
I said the same thing when Dumars made the queen trade. Why put an unprotected pick on the table when one of your best players, Murray, is out most of the year. It was pretty idiotic.
The trade was made, b/c Dumars had tunnel vision to get Queen. Nothing else mattered.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/20/26 at 10:08 pm to Townedrunkard
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I said the same thing when Dumars made the queen trade. Why put an unprotected pick on the table when one of your best players, Murray, is out most of the year. It was pretty idiotic. The trade was made, b/c Dumars had tunnel vision to get Queen. Nothing else mattered.
It was a horrific trade. They traded an in protected pick when the team’s PG is out with an Achilles and had to fire the coach two months in.
And to give away one of the picks we controlled next year too.
This roster isn’t good enough to make any real noise and it will be very hard to add anything of consequence to it for another 2 years.
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