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JMO...I don't think the Pels need a rim-protecting "5" in today's NBA. The BIG low post 5s
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:14 pm
---are a dying breed & like Nance said in his interview today, he doesn't really need to call for help to double team & help him guard ANY of today's 5s...other than the two who EVERYBODY needs help when guarding.
---I think the Pels prefer to have a smaller 5 who can step out & switch on defense...and concentrate on NOT letting opponents get to the rim instead of having a rim-protector just sitting back there. A rim-protector nearly always comes with a downside of cloggin' up the inside on offense (bad for Zion) and/or an inability to step out on defense (bad for the Pels)...old-school 5s are dinosaurs...get ahead of the curve on this one. Go small. (Sorry Val, nothing personal...strictly business)
---I think the Pels prefer to have a smaller 5 who can step out & switch on defense...and concentrate on NOT letting opponents get to the rim instead of having a rim-protector just sitting back there. A rim-protector nearly always comes with a downside of cloggin' up the inside on offense (bad for Zion) and/or an inability to step out on defense (bad for the Pels)...old-school 5s are dinosaurs...get ahead of the curve on this one. Go small. (Sorry Val, nothing personal...strictly business)
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 8:22 pm
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:22 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Yes we prefer a smaller center that is not a true rim protector. This has been the long term plan the whole time.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:27 pm to Dantheman504
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Yes we prefer a smaller center that is not a true rim protector. This has been the long term plan the whole time.
I hate to say it...but if Nance got nicked up & couldn't go...I think Willie would close with Zeller instead of Val, unless he wanted to go REALLY small and leave both of them on the bench at crunch time.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:34 pm to Dinky Mulberry
For sure, but rim protection is not just being a ball-swatter. Rim protection can be had with a big body preventing player's from having a direct path to the basket, which Val is good at and Larry not so much. Larry on the other hand is good at guarding on the perimeter where we know Val struggles. Ideally, you'd like those skills (perimeter defense and rim protection) on the court at the same time but with the Pels its one or the other due to spacing.
Pels really need Zion and BI to become good two-way players.
Pels really need Zion and BI to become good two-way players.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:34 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Disagree think we don't play good enough perimeter defense to not have shot blocker. I do agree that Val can't do it on defense I would be happy with him splitting time with a shot blocker
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:40 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Our best shot at a title is Zion at the 5
Final form pels that need offense
CJ
Ingram
Herb
Trey
Zion
5 dudes that can run. That's it. That's all this really comes down to. If that 5 can play a little defense and figure out how to rebound that 5 is NBA Finals ready
Final form pels that need offense
CJ
Ingram
Herb
Trey
Zion
5 dudes that can run. That's it. That's all this really comes down to. If that 5 can play a little defense and figure out how to rebound that 5 is NBA Finals ready
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:46 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Our best shot at a title is Zion at the 5
Final form pels that need offense
CJ
Ingram
Herb
Trey
Zion
5 dudes that can run. That's it. That's all this really comes down to. If that 5 can play a little defense and figure out how to rebound that 5 is NBA Finals ready
I agree...but that's a tough "sell" around here. BTW: By the end of this coming season, hopefully Dyson will advance to where he can replace CJ at crunch time.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:47 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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hopefully Dyson will advance to where he can replace CJ at crunch time.
He'd have to magically become a 38% 3 pt shooter that can get his own shot.
There's no way CJ is on the bench in crunch time. He's too valuable offensively. We have 2 guys that are 3 level scorers that can get their own bucket. CJ is one of them.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:51 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He'd have to magically become a 38% 3 pt shooter that can get his own shot.
There's no way CJ is on the bench in crunch time. He's too valuable offensively. We have 2 guys that are 3 level scorers that can get their own bucket. CJ is one of them.
Yeah...you're probably right but I just think DD AND Herb are eventually becoming 36-38% 3-pt shooters. A man can dream can't he?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:22 pm to Dinky Mulberry
quote:There is quite literally 0% chance that happens. None.
BTW: By the end of this coming season, hopefully Dyson will advance to where he can replace CJ at crunch time.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:36 pm to tigersmanager
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we don't play good enough perimeter defense to not have shot blocker.
The Pels allowed the fifth fewest attempts at the rim last year.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 6:08 am to TotesMcGotes
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The Pels allowed the fifth fewest attempts at the rim last year.
Is there a stat for uncontested dunks / layups at the rim? I have to imagine that number is high for the Pels.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:26 am to urtoosmall
The Pels had a really good defense last year. Why are y’all acting like they sucked?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:13 am to TotesMcGotes
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we don't play good enough perimeter defense to not have shot blocker.
The Pels allowed the fifth fewest attempts at the rim last year.
Yep...We are structured to prevent the opponent from getting all the way to the rim, at the expense of NOT being very good rim-protectors when/if the opponent DOES get to the rim. (Nance is a good example)
As you said...this allows us to be much more effective on perimeter defense. BTW...we led the NBA in 3-pt % defense this past season. This is just another reason why the improvement of Daniels is SO important to the future of the Pels. Our defense could very easily become "elite"...if DD starts to play like I think he will.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:22 am to Dinky Mulberry
Am I taking crazy pills? Why do people think we weren’t good on D last year?
This isn’t the fake Monty good at defense teams that allowed lower points per game because they played deliberately slow. They had the fifth or sixth best defensive rating in the entire league last year.
This isn’t the fake Monty good at defense teams that allowed lower points per game because they played deliberately slow. They had the fifth or sixth best defensive rating in the entire league last year.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:44 am to TotesMcGotes
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Am I taking crazy pills? Why do people think we weren’t good on D last year?
This isn’t the fake Monty good at defense teams that allowed lower points per game because they played deliberately slow. They had the fifth or sixth best defensive rating in the entire league last year.
I think one reason our D is underrated is because...on paper, our team just "looks" like it should be lousy on defense. We have several players that are rightfully considered to be "below average" on D. But we also have a coupla key players on D that can "cover", at least to a point, for those weak links. Rest assured, Willie knows what is going on out there on the defensive end.
This season, our D might be a bit stressed...with hopefully added minutes by Zion & BI...which is another reason I keep harping on DD being SO important for this coming year.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 3:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Final form pels that need offense
CJ
Ingram
Herb
Trey
Zion
Inject this lineup into my veins.
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figure out how to rebound
There's your issue. They'd outscore almost anybody but man the amount of rebounds and second chance points the other team gets would make you pull your hair out. At least if you're keeping that lineup for extended minutes.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:57 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I will again ask the question that no one who posits losing Valanciunas answers. If we replace Val with a small ball 5, who is going to rebound the basketball?
We’re already somewhere between the middle of the pack to bad at rebounding and that’s with Val, who averaged 14.7 per 36 last year
We’re already somewhere between the middle of the pack to bad at rebounding and that’s with Val, who averaged 14.7 per 36 last year
Posted on 10/3/23 at 6:12 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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who is going to rebound the basketball?
Its gonna have to be Zion as the primary so he can start the break. He got better and better right before the hammy last year.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 6:17 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
These lineups won't work if they don't improve their rebounding by a good bit. We've lost plenty of games last several seasons in this era because we couldn't rebound the ball effectively and the opposing teams kept getting second chances opportunities especially towards the end of games.
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