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re: Jaylen Brown or Grizzlies Pick
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:40 am to Crewz
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:40 am to Crewz
MM I feel like you know I'm not a guy that makes a sweeping decision on a player based on a few criteria.
If I used only age & stats I would be higher on Brandon Ingram, Dennis Smith Jr, Jonathon Issac, Kelly Oubre Jr, etc. I don't want to BI one this team at all.
I see the player Tatum is and along with age and stats, I like his demeanor. I like his defense. He's always a threat beyond the arc. I like how he has already gone at some of the best players in basketball. It's not nightly and it's not right now which is a little concerning, but overall he has shown more aggression at this stage in his career than AD did. He fits next to Jrue fantastically, and he is one of the best young prospects at the most important position in basketball.
That is why I am a Tatum fan. However, I'm not blind to his deficiencies either and I'd be ready to flip him if I begin to see more of a decline. But I think he's a risk worth taking.
If I used only age & stats I would be higher on Brandon Ingram, Dennis Smith Jr, Jonathon Issac, Kelly Oubre Jr, etc. I don't want to BI one this team at all.
I see the player Tatum is and along with age and stats, I like his demeanor. I like his defense. He's always a threat beyond the arc. I like how he has already gone at some of the best players in basketball. It's not nightly and it's not right now which is a little concerning, but overall he has shown more aggression at this stage in his career than AD did. He fits next to Jrue fantastically, and he is one of the best young prospects at the most important position in basketball.
That is why I am a Tatum fan. However, I'm not blind to his deficiencies either and I'd be ready to flip him if I begin to see more of a decline. But I think he's a risk worth taking.
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:42 am to Crewz
quote:Now that's a nice dream!
And if we really wanna dream....imagine this trade package and our pick is #1 and we get Zion....
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:48 am to Crewz
quote:
Tatum probably is still the best asset and I'd grab him in the deal because I would know there are plenty of GM's who agree and I would be looking to flip him.
As for Brown, if you recall what I said was you can't bring both he and Tatum here long term. Pick one or the other and if you can get both in the deal, flip one with some picks for something else.
I just always assumed that Tatum would be the one we keep, so then the answer was flip Brown. But if it were my call, and Tatum gets me a return of 200, while Brown gets me a return of 120, I flip Tatum for sure.
I can understand this. I do like Tatum but if you can get much more for like Bradley Beal, then trade him.
I really do like Brown. Even more with how he's played recently. But I'm still not ready to pay him $25 mil in a year especially when I'm not sure how he'll be next to Jrue. So I've always just looked at this as Tatum is the one we're keeping long-term because he's a SF and has at least 2 years as a Pelican
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:53 am to Crewz
quote:
R. Williams,
Not that it is a significant component of that trade at all, but I thought you had issues with him being on the team? I have always wanted him in any Celtics trade as a cheap rim protector despite the IQ/attitude. I also think with regular minutes his value will rise like Robinson's did with the Knicks.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:56 am to NOFOX
I would be trying to grab every possible asset. I am not assuming everything we get in the trade will be with us for the next 10 years.
I am assuming, in a best case scenario, we get one or two things that are with us long term. Everything else is an asset that is used for something else later
I am assuming, in a best case scenario, we get one or two things that are with us long term. Everything else is an asset that is used for something else later
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:07 am to Crewz
quote:
My new hope for a dream trade:
Boston receives: AD + Troy Brown
Wizards receive: Marcus Smart, Solomon Hill, J. Tatum, Yabusele
Pelicans receive: Bradley Beal, J. Brown, R. Williams, Grizz pick, Kings pick, Clippers pick
Wiz won't want to move Beal, but they will never get a better return than cost controlled Tatum and Smart to start the rebuild with. Pels start the next phase with an elite backcourt combo and Brown. Would have 3 picks this year along with all their future picks and Grizz pick. A lot of flexibility. And if we really wanna dream....imagine this trade package and our pick is #1 and we get Zion....
Who is playing SF in this lineup?
Brown
Jrue
Beal
Zion
Some Center
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:28 am to 50_Tiger
1. Stop with "positions"
2. Brown
3. The construction of this team doesn't end after the AD trade
2. Brown
3. The construction of this team doesn't end after the AD trade
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:31 am to Crewz
quote:
1. Stop with "positions"
2. Brown
3. The construction of this team doesn't end after the AD trade
I hear you, boss, I am just trying to figure out who would be placed on KD.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:47 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
I hear you, boss, I am just trying to figure out who would be placed on KD.
I don't know that defending KD should be your benchmark. There's no one player in the league that you can just put on him. Everybody's gonna get a taste.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:49 am to Crewz
I saw you said the other day that you heard Boston would give up all assets for sending out Hayward's contract, too. Think they give up both Tatum, Brown and all picks without sending out Hayward?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:13 pm to Crewz
quote:
I would be trying to grab every possible asset. I am not assuming everything we get in the trade will be with us for the next 10 years.
I am assuming, in a best case scenario, we get one or two things that are with us long term. Everything else is an asset that is used for something else later
I just thought I recalled prior trade iterations where you were against him being on the team even in the short term while waiting on a later trade because of his off-court issues/chemistry. I always just thought of him as a potentially cheap rim protector whose value could really inflate with some minutes, not a building block or long term player.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:19 pm to Crewz
I believe Beal qualifies for the super max this offseason if he makes 3rd team all nba. Good chance that increases the likelihood of their new GM in trading him this offseason.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:24 pm to 50_Tiger
If we were to get Zion, then ideally we would need 3 above average shooters in the other positions besides Jrue in the closing lineup. Beal is one. I would look at brook lopez at center and look into seeing what brown can fetch in the market for a better fit next to Zion, Jrue and Beal.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:24 pm to Crewz
Beal, Jrue, Brown line-ups would be really versatile. Another possibility:
Boston receives: AD
Pacers recieve: Tatum, Hayward
Pelicans receive: Myles Turner, J. Brown, MEM pick, SAC pick, LAC pick
Kinda risky trading perimeter player for big (swapping Tatum for Turner), but Turner is the modern prototype C with his rim-protection and floor-spacing. May also lack that dawg mentality like Tatum, but afforadable contract locked in for 4 years at 18mil per and young with potential to grow. Set themselves up for the option to trade picks and possibly Brown for a primary playmaker, a la Beal.
Pacers pair up Tatum with Oladipo and bring home their Gordon golden boi, who fill a secondary creator role to help Victor. Clear the way to commit to Sabonis as their C of the future. They'd have to renounce all their main free agents to make salaries work, but could see that happening for a Oladipo/Tatum/Sabonis core.
Boston clears cap space for another potential max contract (KD) for a chance at a Kyrie/AD/KD supercore.
Boston receives: AD
Pacers recieve: Tatum, Hayward
Pelicans receive: Myles Turner, J. Brown, MEM pick, SAC pick, LAC pick
Kinda risky trading perimeter player for big (swapping Tatum for Turner), but Turner is the modern prototype C with his rim-protection and floor-spacing. May also lack that dawg mentality like Tatum, but afforadable contract locked in for 4 years at 18mil per and young with potential to grow. Set themselves up for the option to trade picks and possibly Brown for a primary playmaker, a la Beal.
Pacers pair up Tatum with Oladipo and bring home their Gordon golden boi, who fill a secondary creator role to help Victor. Clear the way to commit to Sabonis as their C of the future. They'd have to renounce all their main free agents to make salaries work, but could see that happening for a Oladipo/Tatum/Sabonis core.
Boston clears cap space for another potential max contract (KD) for a chance at a Kyrie/AD/KD supercore.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:36 pm to DLBalla
Goin full circle wit it-
Boston receives: AD
Pacers recieve: Tatum, Hayward, R. Williams
Wizards receive: Brown, MEM pick, SAC pick, Hill
Pelicans receive: Myles Turner, Beal, LAC pick
Jrue/Beal/Turner core with our own pick (Hunter, Culver, Sekou, Clarke, etc...or Morant, Zion...), LAC or SAC pick, then future picks and free agent possibilities. Fun stuff
Boston receives: AD
Pacers recieve: Tatum, Hayward, R. Williams
Wizards receive: Brown, MEM pick, SAC pick, Hill
Pelicans receive: Myles Turner, Beal, LAC pick
Jrue/Beal/Turner core with our own pick (Hunter, Culver, Sekou, Clarke, etc...or Morant, Zion...), LAC or SAC pick, then future picks and free agent possibilities. Fun stuff
Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:54 pm to PelicanFever
Can you have two Supermax players on the roster? Or did that rule go byebye in the last CBA?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 1:03 pm to Crewz
I’m ok with doing away with positions and fitting skill sets together. In fact that’s the smarter thing to do imo.
But I’m curious if is it a big deal that you’d have no one on the taller than 6’7” between Beal, Jrue, Brown, & Zion? Maybe it has no bearing at all
But I’m curious if is it a big deal that you’d have no one on the taller than 6’7” between Beal, Jrue, Brown, & Zion? Maybe it has no bearing at all
Posted on 5/1/19 at 1:13 pm to DLBalla
My dream would be Jrue/Beal/Turner
I think the skill sets mesh well amongst those 3 along with the ability to add many different players to play with them. Those 3 are also different ages and their contracts end on different years.
Count me 100% in on that deal
I think the skill sets mesh well amongst those 3 along with the ability to add many different players to play with them. Those 3 are also different ages and their contracts end on different years.
Count me 100% in on that deal
Posted on 5/1/19 at 1:47 pm to DeionDeion
The young vet model again.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:07 pm to PelicanFever
Young vet model doesn't fail every time, just like tanking doesn't work every time, just like getting three 30+ all stars won't lead to a title in year 1 like it did with Boston every time, and on and on and on.
The young vet plan was smart in theory - the issue was the specific guys he targeted combined with the terrible luck they had. I think something very similar will be coming in this next phase. The difference is that we will also be infusing those young vet teams with rookies every year as well
The young vet plan was smart in theory - the issue was the specific guys he targeted combined with the terrible luck they had. I think something very similar will be coming in this next phase. The difference is that we will also be infusing those young vet teams with rookies every year as well
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