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re: Jarrett Allen agrees to extension, take him off Pels trade options
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:14 pm to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:14 pm to Chalkywhite84
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This is what I have been saying. What was his actual plan b?
The roster currently as is without BI traded or an extension IS the plan B. And yes its a shitty plan B.
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Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:14 pm to TigerinATL
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Kessler/Collins
Something is happening with Markkanen by Aug 6. Just watching the clock. Then things will happen.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:20 pm to Pels_Yaz
You can’t trade him if nobody wants him at all and that isn’t DG fault.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:22 pm to WaltWhite504
quote:Not sure if that has any bearing on BI. I think this is mainly a speculated Christian Clark idea without any legs.
Something is happening with Markkanen by Aug 6. Just watching the clock. Then things will happen.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:24 pm to Balsamic_duck
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His job security is why. He knows he can win 40-45 games with this squad, lose in the play in and have no repercussions.
I’ll have to disagree. This roster as is is better than the roster we put on the floor last season and fits better with Zion than the roster last season, and that team won 49 games in a historically tough western conference
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:27 pm to RawDog7984
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You can’t trade him if nobody wants him at all and that isn’t DG fault.
They’ll take him at a reduced price and not the price Griffin wants to trade him at. Its Griffins fault waiting too long to trade him and hence decreasing his value even more. I don’t even understand how your blaming BI over Griffin here in him not being traded.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:27 pm to Soggymoss
We're gonna win a lot games running Zion, Ingram, Murray out there. It won't matter how shite center position will be. We're gonna put so much pressure on the rim and shoot all the 3s.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:31 pm to NOSHAU
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Not sure if that has any bearing on BI. I think this is mainly a speculated Christian Clark idea without any legs.
To be fair Shamit and Zach Lowe have also mentioned this. But again like Clark, it could just be what they’re thinking and not have any actual substance.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:34 pm to TigerinATL
quote:We still have a full MLE, right?
This team will go as far as Zion takes it.
If so, while Griff still botched handing BI, he's still handicapped by a cheap owner.
A full MLE could have went a long ways in providing a decent center that could have left us in a better position than we are now.
Seems like we're down to one BI suitor left...if the Jazz are even one.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:37 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Starting lineup will have 4 non volume 3pt shooters...
and shoot all the 3s.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:47 pm to shel311
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We still have a full MLE, right?
Yes, and no. Being hard capped means you can use the full MLE, but if that full MLE puts you over the 1st Apron including unlikely incentives, I think the league would reject the transaction.
Even if we had that though, who would the Pels have targeted? If you're going to use trade assets, Kessler/Duren/Allen always made the most sense. The Free Agent center list is not one you would use the full MLE on. The best names on the list are probably JV and Mason Plumlee.
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I feel like the criticism of Griff in this thread is just wrong. Not that he doesn't deserve blame, but y'all are asking why he didn't do better and not considering the options he had. Like with Lonzo, he screwed himself by waiting too long to make a move that a lot of people saw coming. And he really miscalculated the impact of the 2nd Apron.
To me that's the most unforgivable thing. I expect a good GM to understand the environment he's working much better than Griff has shown. I don't really fault him for not liking a bunch of not great options. Not figuring out how to stack the deck or fold early is the problem.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:53 pm to TigerinATL
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Like Lonzo, he screwed himself by waiting too long to make a move that a lot of people saw coming. And he really miscalculated the impact of the 2nd Apron. To me that's the most unforgivable thing. I expect a good GM to understand the environment he's working much better than Griff has shown. I don't really fault him for not liking a bunch of not great options. Not figuring out how to stack the deck or fold early is the problem.
I agree here completely. Its mindboggling how he misjudged the environment. For a guy with Griffin’s experience that just doesn’t happen.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 4:56 pm to shel311
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Starting lineup will have 4 non volume 3pt shooters...
I truly feel like ingram will take far more 3s this year.
Zion will average 2.5 per game too.
Murray will be high as well.
Then CJ and Trey. Herb still shooting 4-6 per game.
We good
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:28 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I truly feel like ingram will take far more 3s this year. Zion will average 2.5 per game too.
Im not even going into get into a discussion of hoping Ingram shoots more 3s because it happens every offseason and then we see reality when the season begins.
But how do you figure Zion will go from shooting 0.3 threes a game to 2.5? I mean I get him taking more floaters but 2.5 threes a game seems really unrealistic.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:30 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean I get him taking more floaters but 2.5 threes a game seems really unrealistic.
True. I bet it'll be more than 1 per game on average though.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:33 pm to whatiknowsofar
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True. I bet it'll be more than 1 per game on average though.
Yeah that I can see. I think he needs to average at least this to make the game easier for him regardless if he makes them or not.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:37 pm to Soggymoss
Not giving a center a max that isn’t top 3 at his position.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:47 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:I have seen it mentioned many times, but most seem to credit Clark as the source.
To be fair Shamit and Zach Lowe have also mentioned this. But again like Clark, it could just be what they’re thinking and not have any actual substance.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:48 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Not a chance
Zion will average 2.5 per game too.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 6:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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That's a lot of fricking money for Jarrett Allen imo
No its not.
Isiah Hartenstein makes 29 million a year. Averages like 6 and 6 and plays defense/does dirty work.
Pro athletes make a lot of money. And the market goes up rapidly every few years.
Why cant this board understand this?
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 6:17 pm
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