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re: Is Today the Day We Say Goodbye to Omer Asik??
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
We're not going to have cap space for the next five-or-six seasons if all goes well, so nearly min salary on the books doesn't matter. Can't go in half-cocked. If we're going to make a difference now then make the difference. Half in/half out is not the way of doing business. It's a terrible sunk cost, but you have to pay it to get more talent and create more roster flexibility.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:33 pm to tigerbait44
For all we know this is Demps and Cunningham's agent negotiating and at this late date these were the only guys Demps could get in for a bluff workout. You've already had a few waves of low end FAs go to China and europe. The only people left are either fringe NBA talent, holding out for more than the minimum, or holding out for a minimum from a playoff lock team.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:43 pm to tigerbait44
You guys are worried about adding an end of bench guy. who gives a shite?
We aren't winning a championship this year. The roster is set for the most part and there is no need to make moves right now that affect financials in the future, like stretching Asik to sign the 13th man.
We need to stay patient and wait 2 years before we have the assets and money to make a move. Cousins isn't going anywhere unless we have an abysmal season, and if that's the case, then all of this is moot anyway b/c we would lose him, need new coaches, and AD will be on his way out as well.
signing or not signing whoever is left available right now will have absolutely no affect whatsoever if Cousins leaves or stays. How he plays with AD, and if Jrue moving to SG is a good thing is what will decide if this season is heading up or down, not if Josh Smith is signed, or Martell Webster, or Dante Cunningham.
Be patient. Keep gaining assets. let these bad contracts become useful. Make a trade at next season trade deadline, or wait until that offseason when you can actually create cap space, assuming you haven't done anything stupid with Asik.
We aren't winning a championship this year. The roster is set for the most part and there is no need to make moves right now that affect financials in the future, like stretching Asik to sign the 13th man.
We need to stay patient and wait 2 years before we have the assets and money to make a move. Cousins isn't going anywhere unless we have an abysmal season, and if that's the case, then all of this is moot anyway b/c we would lose him, need new coaches, and AD will be on his way out as well.
signing or not signing whoever is left available right now will have absolutely no affect whatsoever if Cousins leaves or stays. How he plays with AD, and if Jrue moving to SG is a good thing is what will decide if this season is heading up or down, not if Josh Smith is signed, or Martell Webster, or Dante Cunningham.
Be patient. Keep gaining assets. let these bad contracts become useful. Make a trade at next season trade deadline, or wait until that offseason when you can actually create cap space, assuming you haven't done anything stupid with Asik.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:57 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You guys are worried about adding an end of bench guy. who gives a shite?
The problem here is Miller and QPon are big unknowns. If those 2 flame out and they don't resign Dante, we're not talking end of bench minutes, we're talking 48 minutes. The SF position will be as bad as it was when they had Babbitt and Salmons starting. Maybe even worse. That's just hard to recover from and is why QPon had such an immediate impact when he was traded for.
That's why people are freaking out. I agree that the market is so empty that there probably isn't anything useful Asik's cap space could get you, but sometimes nothing is the hardest thing to do.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'd argue that Cunningham would start at the 3 for us...so he's not a 13th man...is he a game changer? No, but he's more than the end of bench guy too. He'd bit a big part of our rotation.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
Thats great in theory, but its hard to be patient when... If Boogie leaves, AD leaves, and if AD leaves, you might as well just flush the whole thing down the toilet.
The team must be good this season or its all over, and if thats the case, you can't just have 20-25 mil of dead money (heck, maybe 30 if Ajinca and Q-Pon give nothing again) are rotting away on your bench while you have a gaping hole on the wing.
It stinks that Dell put the team in this position, but there is no time for patience and seeing if Asik might have value in 18-22 months when the franchise could be effectively dead by then
The team must be good this season or its all over, and if thats the case, you can't just have 20-25 mil of dead money (heck, maybe 30 if Ajinca and Q-Pon give nothing again) are rotting away on your bench while you have a gaping hole on the wing.
It stinks that Dell put the team in this position, but there is no time for patience and seeing if Asik might have value in 18-22 months when the franchise could be effectively dead by then
Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:33 pm to Crewz
quote:Is there any talk of them doing anything in the way of stretching or minor trade to create space to sign Cunningham for anything over the minimum?
Thats great in theory, but its hard to be patient when... If Boogie leaves, AD leaves, and if AD leaves, you might as well just flush the whole thing down the toilet.
The team must be good this season or its all over, and if thats the case, you can't just have 20-25 mil of dead money (heck, maybe 30 if Ajinca and Q-Pon give nothing again) are rotting away on your bench while you have a gaping hole on the wing.
It stinks that Dell put the team in this position, but there is no time for patience and seeing if Asik might have value in 18-22 months when the franchise could be effectively dead by then
Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:50 pm to NOSHAU
Well, evidently today is not the day.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If they want to create space right now, then trade QPon away with cash.
I think they think QPon can play or they should have traded him away. Again, the unknowns are the problem. Miller and QPon may be just fine. If that's the case Dante's role would be more of a 4 and Josh Smith taking Dante's place could fit with AD or Cousins as well as Terrence Jones did.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 4:24 pm to tigerbait44
D.A. says no stretch for Asik coming today
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 4:27 pm to Crewz
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If Boogie leaves
He's already lost $30m by being traded. He's not going anywhere unless this twin tower experiment sucks arse so much he wants to lose more money, and if it does, we will likely lose everything like you said. All of that does not hinge on another signing we haven't made. It hinges on Jrue playing to his salary at the 2, and AD/cousins dominating the post together. You get vintage Rondo and they will win 45 games regardless of who else is out there.
If you make more panic decisions now, we will never take the next step. We are a 2nd round team at best, and thats being generous. Getting to that next level will require a legit 2/3, or if Jrue works out at the 2, then a legit PG will do.
We can't add that person if we are always up against the tax and have no assets. If you can't relay that to cousins and AD, and show them your plan for the future, assuming this year works out alright, then youve already failed.
Solo isn't that important to this team that you have to panic and do something stupid with salaries.
If they really think qpon will suffice, then fine, well be fine til solo get back with him and Darius, and hopefully Dante. If there is any doubt with him, then he should be the one to go right now. Can't be hard to pay someone to take an expiring contract. That's what should happen at some point, regardless if they think he can play or not. Dante and another minimum guy are 10 times better than whatever they are expecting from qpon.
And Ajinca can still give you minutes.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:19 am to TeddyPadillac
For the record
Assuming that Asik won't be traded for now (because of the price) - next window to stretch him will be after July 1st.
He will be owed then 14,3 millions guaranteed. So the cost of stretching him will be 2.86 millions for 5 years (this year it was 3.57)
Assuming that Asik won't be traded for now (because of the price) - next window to stretch him will be after July 1st.
He will be owed then 14,3 millions guaranteed. So the cost of stretching him will be 2.86 millions for 5 years (this year it was 3.57)
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:48 pm to pawel
If you can make it until next year then I think he can be easily traded to a team trying to unload a contract of a decent role player. A solid trade deadline asset during the 2018-2019 season. So we have a growing season here where we just make the playoffs and he is part of a role player trade that helps make a deep run in season two.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:58 pm to Colonel Flagg
Yes, that is the ideal.
The other side is that this season isn't a success because you have all this dead money instead of a solid wing or two and then Boogie leaves, which means AD is out, which effectively kills the franchise.
I just don't see the point of risking it. But yes, if you do ply with fire and everything breaks right, then it could be a nice little asset in July of 19.
The other side is that this season isn't a success because you have all this dead money instead of a solid wing or two and then Boogie leaves, which means AD is out, which effectively kills the franchise.
I just don't see the point of risking it. But yes, if you do ply with fire and everything breaks right, then it could be a nice little asset in July of 19.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:21 pm to Crewz
I am not sure how stretching Asik helps our situation. We are under the tax, but above the salary cap. What legit moves does it really open up now other than very small impact players.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:33 pm to Colonel Flagg
Maybe not now. But imagine you did it weeks ago, when there were still players like CJ Miles out there. You could have used the full MLE or at least more of it, plus the BAE, etc.
Yes, now it is a little too late. But it could have been beneficial a while back. You also could have done uneven trades w/o fear of going over tax, etc. Too late now, but start the summer with Asik stretched and you'd be in a better position than you are now.
Yes, now it is a little too late. But it could have been beneficial a while back. You also could have done uneven trades w/o fear of going over tax, etc. Too late now, but start the summer with Asik stretched and you'd be in a better position than you are now.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 12:09 am to Crewz
Asik salary will be fully guaranteed on July 1st 2019. So Pels or another team will have short window to trade him (one day).
Problem is - there are two years left...
Problem is - there are two years left...
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