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Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:27 am to Fun Bunch
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Neat. Our team can't shoot but we have the best shooting coach Maybe we need a different voice that can get consistent results across the board, who is focused more on adding a few percentage points than some massive, painstaking, year long process with singular players.
Such a person doesn’t exist
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:29 am to Bronc
I find it funny that we were the #1 seed in the West before our best 2 players were injured but now we want to fire our shooting coach, training staff, and head coach.
Maybe that's what that other poster meant about the doom and gloom, he may be right.
Maybe that's what that other poster meant about the doom and gloom, he may be right.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:40 am to GynoSandberg
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Acquire better shooters maybe?
Our front office has focused entirely on versatility, length and defense, hoping that shooting could be later taught.
While that has been solid, we have to get some microwaves on this roster.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:42 am to shel311
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I find it funny that we were the #1 seed in the West before our best 2 players were injured but now we want to fire our shooting coach, training staff, and head coach.
Maybe that's what that other poster meant about the doom and gloom, he may be right.
Its also possible that the #1 seed was a early season mirage, and that this is closer to what the team is. An average team that is low seed playoffs to play in, but has a player that can elevate them drastically (that never plays)
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:45 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Vinson would have 20+ offers before stepping out of griffin’s office should he be let go. You’re dumb as hell if he’s a guy you think you move on from.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:58 am to Fun Bunch
Congrats, you just named every team in the league
Warriors with no Curry/Klay? Pick 4th in the lottery
Warriors with a healthy Curry and returned but hobbled Klay? Win a championship
You aren’t going far in this league when your 2 superstars can’t play. The best you can hope for is a Jazz-like situation where you cobble together a ton of vet role players and luck into finding an undervalued top 30 player and become a play-in threat and spoiler team…until the organization realizes that’s problematic and begins shutting guys down to tank
Warriors with no Curry/Klay? Pick 4th in the lottery
Warriors with a healthy Curry and returned but hobbled Klay? Win a championship
You aren’t going far in this league when your 2 superstars can’t play. The best you can hope for is a Jazz-like situation where you cobble together a ton of vet role players and luck into finding an undervalued top 30 player and become a play-in threat and spoiler team…until the organization realizes that’s problematic and begins shutting guys down to tank
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:58 am to Fun Bunch
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Its also possible that the #1 seed was a early season mirage
It was not. It was Zion powered. He makes the game easier for everyone when he's on the court. Staying on the court is the problem.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:07 am to Fun Bunch
quote:That doesn't really make sense to me that the current team without 1 and before both of our best players is closer to what we are then we were with both? I can't buy that.
Its also possible that the #1 seed was a early season mirage, and that this is closer to what the team is
You could be correct that we maybe weren't the absolute best team in the West, but that's about as far as I'd go.
Our point differential suggested we were even better than our record, and point diff is a better judge of how good a team is IMO. It's proven to be a better indicator of future success.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:08 am to TigerinATL
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It was not. It was Zion powered. He makes the game easier for everyone when he's on the court.
He never plays though.
So its possible that our roster needs to be elevated well beyond the normal team to compensate.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
quote:We've been a pretty strong plus every time Zion steps on the court for his entire career, even when shitty Bledsoe led the team in minutes for an entire season.
It was not. It was Zion powered. He makes the game easier for everyone when he's on the court. Staying on the court is the problem.
Now we have a solid team around him, I don't see any argument that we're not a top 4 team....when healthy.
The issue is the dreaded "when healthy" we obviously all know that. But healthy, we are good.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:24 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Lord no man. We're fortunate to have him. I'd give him a raise before I let him go.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:32 pm to GynoSandberg
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A team can’t shoot when Alavarado, Marshall and Herb 3/4/5 in 3PA. They were available for peanuts for a reason - they are terrible shooters. Acquire better shooters maybe? Get healthy?
Bingo. You can’t expect Vinson to boost everyone’s 3 point percentage by 4 points. Some guys will show solid improvement, some will improve a lot, and others the methods/training just won’t take. He’s just like any other coach in that regard. But he’s had some clear successes and his reputation is stellar throughout the league. Letting go of him would be a mistake imo.
I mean what players do the Pels have that were good shooters at the time we acquired them? CJ and Trey? BI and Josh Richardson, kinda?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:21 pm to jmcwhrter
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Bingo. You can’t expect Vinson to boost everyone’s 3 point percentage by 4 points. Some guys will show solid improvement, some will improve a lot, and others the methods/training just won’t take. He’s just like any other coach in that regard. But he’s had some clear successes and his reputation is stellar throughout the league. Letting go of him would be a mistake imo. I mean what players do the Pels have that were good shooters at the time we acquired them? CJ and Trey? BI and Josh Richardson, kinda?
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Yeah.. get rid of the one guy on the staff that's universally respected throughout the league for doing a good job.
Why can’t the Pels shoot? Also my question also brings up how long he’s been here. Sometimes a change is needed for everyone OKC hired England away from San Antonio IIRC.
Fred was promoted, doing both might be too much.
We have the best training staff in the league and a top 3 shooting coach in the league yet we can’t stay healthy or shoot.
Anyone here want a new training staff?
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:30 pm to Honest Man
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I like cocaine.
That’s the most honest thing you’ve ever typed.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:31 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Because we don't have shooters.
Why can’t the Pels shoot?
He's a shooting coach, not a miracle worker. He can't magically make guys like Jose and Herb average shooters, that's asking a bit much.
Truth is, we have only 3 dudes on our entire roster who you can trust to get you a 3, and 1 of them doesn't really shoot it much. That's the issue and no shooting coach can turn that 3 into like 5 or 6 dudes like we need.
quote:Agreed, and we would get shooting MUCH quicker if we changed the roster and swapped guys like Jose/Herb/Naji(not saying you have to get rid of all of them) for guys who can shoot the 3 than by keeping the same team and getting a new shooting coach.
Sometimes a change is needed for everyone
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:44 pm to shel311
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He's a trainer , not a miracle worker. He can't magically make guys like Zion and BI more durable , that's asking a bit much.
Maybe we have guys who just will never be healthy. We should trade them.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:58 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
A shooting coach can't make every bad shooter a good shooter and a trainer can't make every injury prone guy become super healthy all the time.
I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make any more.
I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make any more.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 4:19 pm to shel311
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I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make any more.
That it might be time for Fred to go? I thought that was in the OP.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 4:20 pm
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