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Ingram is not a max player
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:16 pm
Your max contract guys need to be capable of being one of the best three players on a contender. Ingram has turned into a below average defender and doesn’t create offense for others. He gets some buckets, but not enough to warrant his max deal. Not sure Pels can ever win with him.
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:22 pm to Mulkey Man
He just needs a lead guard who can command an offense and keep him from trying to do too much.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:33 pm to supe12sta12z
This right here. BI and Zion would benefit so much. They’re elite finishers and we have them getting hurt and worn out trying to organize the offense.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:38 pm to Pistol44
Rubio plus Buddy in the off-season would be an interesting target(especially if Rubio’s improved shooting from three is real).
You’d again be without defense, but the firepower and offensive generation would be elite
You’d again be without defense, but the firepower and offensive generation would be elite
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:56 pm to Mulkey Man
I would hate to see you run a franchise.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:57 pm to LouisianaJoseph
Let’s be honest. Probably 99% of posters on this board would have us at better than 2-15 right now and the extra added effect of Zion hating the organization.
Most of us are retards, but you literally have to try to be as bad as Griffin has been the last 3 years and you still might not achieve the same level of ineptitude.
Most of us are retards, but you literally have to try to be as bad as Griffin has been the last 3 years and you still might not achieve the same level of ineptitude.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:06 pm to LouisianaJoseph
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hate to see you run a franchise.
James had Ingram for one year as his number 2 and knew he couldn't win with him. He missed the playoffs and gutted the team. He ended up winning a ring the next year. Yet we expect Ingram to be so much more. James knew he couldn't count on him to be his running mate. Why do we think he can do that for Zion, when he couldn't do it for James?
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:18 pm to Mulkey Man
He is for sure a max player. Other teams would easily give him a max deal if the pelicans didn’t.
There are a lot of max players in the nba.
Some are WAY better value than others.He isn’t an outlier
Other Max contract players:
Andrew Wiggins
Michael porter jr
Ben Simmons
Tobias harris
Blake griffin
Deagelo Russel
KAT
Kristaps porzingus
Kevin love
Gordon Hayward
Etc…
There are a lot of max players in the nba.
Some are WAY better value than others.He isn’t an outlier
Other Max contract players:
Andrew Wiggins
Michael porter jr
Ben Simmons
Tobias harris
Blake griffin
Deagelo Russel
KAT
Kristaps porzingus
Kevin love
Gordon Hayward
Etc…
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:21 pm to brmark70816
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James had Ingram for one year as his number 2 and knew he couldn't win with him. He missed the playoffs and gutted the team. He ended up winning a ring the next year. Yet we expect Ingram to be so much more. James knew he couldn't count on him to be his running mate. Why do we think he can do that for Zion, when he couldn't do it for James?
Would have been stupid for Pels fans to hope the Brandon ingram improve after he left the lakers as he gained more experience.
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:29 pm to brmark70816
No, he thought he could win now with AD and had to give up BI to get him. Got James another ring. Ingram being asked to do too much because we have no hint of any lead guard play.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:37 pm to brmark70816
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James had Ingram for one year as his number 2 and knew he couldn't win with him. He missed the playoffs and gutted the team. He ended up winning a ring the next year. Yet we expect Ingram to be so much more. James knew he couldn't count on him to be his running mate. Why do we think he can do that for Zion, when he couldn't do it for James?
Doofus, Ingram had a major health scare and LeBron hurt his vagina that season. What the frick are you even talking about?
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:45 pm to Mulkey Man
For a max player, he's not able to put the team on his back and lead us to a win. Too many empty buckets when the game has been decided. I like Ingram, but your max player needs to perform at a higher level.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 12:39 am to Bronc
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Rubio plus Buddy in the off-season would be an interesting target(especially if Rubio’s improved shooting from three is real).
You’d again be without defense, but the firepower and offensive generation would be elite
Hmmmm that would be interesting. Having a real PG in Rubio would be awesome. He did look much improved in the Olympics this year shooting. Would love his veteran presence too.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 12:56 am to Mulkey Man
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Your max contract guys need to be capable of being one of the best three players on a contender. Ingram has turned into a below average defender and doesn’t create offense for others. He gets some buckets, but not enough to warrant his max deal. Not sure Pels can ever win with him.
Dude he’s definitely a max player.
The team just needs to chill out down the stretch and play the same basketball they play in the first half. It’s a mental block for Ingram and nobody else on the team has enough talent to be that guy.
We win with team basketball. Same way the Spurs can win with all these random dudes over the years. Somehow Willie’s gotta fix us. We crumble under pressure. In that Wizards game, the crowd started going nuts around 6 mins left and the team panicked. We have zero poise. Somebody has to relax the troops.
I think that either comes from having a veteran PG who can keep everybody under control or it can come from generational talent (like Zion).
It’s just so confusing why Ingram can be so good and then bend over in the clutch. He right now is our best player, and at the end of games, the team feeds off his nervous energy.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 12:58 am
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:04 am to aswemajor
I like Ingram but I have to say watching Jimmy Butler carry his short-handed team to victory with 31-10-10 made for an interesting comparison in star power…
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:21 am to New City Champ
Not really. Jimmy is 32, BI is 23. Butler wasn't even a starter at 23.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:58 pm to Mulkey Man
Ingram is definitely a max player on that contract.
Will he be a guy worth 40 mil? No.
Will he be a guy worth 40 mil? No.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:47 pm to LouisianaJoseph
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Not really. Jimmy is 32, BI is 23. Butler wasn't even a starter at 23.
Jimmy was sophomore at 23, with a coach which doesn't usually give many minutes (Thibodeau).
BI has already 6 years in NBA...
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:00 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Doofus, Ingram had a major health scare and LeBron hurt his vagina that season. What the frick are you even talking about?
They weren't good fully healthy. If James thought Ingram was a star or max player, he would have never moved him. He would have just waited for David to bolt.
It reality, Ingram is a 3rd to 4th option on a contending team. He wasn't even really 2nd to James on that team. It was Kuzma. If Kuzma comes here instead and plays next to Zion, he is putting up the same level of numbers and we are all wondering if he is really a "max" player.
Let the down votes rain. The truth hurts..
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:12 pm to PigDog33
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max contract players:
Andrew Wiggins regret
Michael porter jr regret
Ben Simmons regret
Tobias harris maybe not regret, but no where near worth it
Blake griffin regret, traded and bought out.
Deagelo Russel likely will regret
KAT probably worth it
Kristaps porzingus regret
Kevin love big regret
Gordon Hayward not a max, sill gonna regret
Wow
You made such a good point here.
BI deserves the near max moneyvwithout a doubt, but that doesn’t mean he should be the best or even the 2nd best player on a championship contending team. He can without a doubt be a 2a 2b player with Zion as the lead #1. BI has to get some help on the perimeter. That’s his problem. He’s asked to do to much.
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