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re: Ingram is not a max player
Posted on 11/23/21 at 12:31 pm to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 11/23/21 at 12:31 pm to TotesMcGotes
He's the least reason we are 3-14 though, followed by Val.
At literally every other position, basically none of our players would occupy their current roles on 95% of other rosters in the league.
If people want to understand why we are 3-14, I don't know why people keep pointing to our best players, and not the fact everyone around them are are not starting caliber players in their current roles, and many aren't even worthy of minutes off the bench either.
At literally every other position, basically none of our players would occupy their current roles on 95% of other rosters in the league.
If people want to understand why we are 3-14, I don't know why people keep pointing to our best players, and not the fact everyone around them are are not starting caliber players in their current roles, and many aren't even worthy of minutes off the bench either.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 12:33 pm
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 12:38 pm to Bronc
BI is a max player. BI and JV are attacking doubles consistantly. its expected and everyone can get used to it. Its how the learn to close. Its in BI's head that hes not making those shots. They will start falling and look out when they do.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:43 pm to schex
Yeah, I mean he is definitely a max player in this league, and you wouldn't struggle to find suitors if you put him on the block.
Which is all that really matters.
However, he's also not earning his salary either. And I think both can be true.
Lot of players making near or more than BI that I would be legit concerned if they were on our roster: Kevin Love, Wiggins, Simmons, Porzingas, Westbrook, Wall, Siakam, McCollum, Hayward, Griffin. All players making more than BI this season. Worse, we could have a Michael Porter situation, where you give a BI like contract to a guy that proceeds to shrink in his expanded role and may now be out for the seaosn. And with an injury that has sidelined him half his career and could threaten it.
Which is all that really matters.
However, he's also not earning his salary either. And I think both can be true.
Lot of players making near or more than BI that I would be legit concerned if they were on our roster: Kevin Love, Wiggins, Simmons, Porzingas, Westbrook, Wall, Siakam, McCollum, Hayward, Griffin. All players making more than BI this season. Worse, we could have a Michael Porter situation, where you give a BI like contract to a guy that proceeds to shrink in his expanded role and may now be out for the seaosn. And with an injury that has sidelined him half his career and could threaten it.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:46 pm to brmark70816
How many players at 23-24 yes old has ever done anything note worthy in the league?
This is just a stupid post and stupid takes all across the board. I think dumb ppl were saying the same stupid stuff about Devin Booker a year ago and look how fast that change with the addition of one player.
Stop being emotional and actually think
This is just a stupid post and stupid takes all across the board. I think dumb ppl were saying the same stupid stuff about Devin Booker a year ago and look how fast that change with the addition of one player.
Stop being emotional and actually think
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:50 pm to schex
BI is obviously not healthy, he has no lift on his shots or drives.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 2:33 pm to The_Duke
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This is just a stupid post and stupid takes all across the board. I think dumb ppl were saying the same stupid stuff about Devin Booker a year ago and look how fast that change with the addition of one player.
Well said, Ingram is known as 3 level scorer (and if Herb Jones can quit hogging Vinson, BI can get some work in) who has a green light in the modern NBA in the mid-range. Dudes like that, aren’t common.
The best player acquired since Ingram arrived is Jonas.
Zion-Ingram-Jonas are a scary offensive trio.
The rest of the team is bad.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:48 pm to Bronc
I believe this is centered around how someone defines a max player. Personally I would give a max contract to less than 20 guys in the league. Many more than that have max deals. Pointing out who has them doesn't really prove a point.
I struggle to believe anyone else would have given Ingram that contract. But it only takes one desperate GM. So maybe he still gets it. It is what it is..
I struggle to believe anyone else would have given Ingram that contract. But it only takes one desperate GM. So maybe he still gets it. It is what it is..
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:59 pm to brmark70816
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I struggle to believe anyone else would have given Ingram that contract.
30 out of 30 teams give him the same exact contract
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:39 pm to Bronc
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He's the least reason we are 3-14 though
Hard disagree.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 6:50 pm to brmark70816
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I struggle to believe anyone else would have given Ingram that contract. But it only takes one desperate GM. So maybe he still gets it. It is what it is..
Then you're just contradicting for no reason.
26/6/4 on 46/39/85 at the age of 22 for a wing.
That gets a max from every team in the league. Easily.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:02 pm to htran90
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David Fisher @Fish_TBW 2h
The most interesting question here is who needs to add more?
I don't know if this is the answer to the Pels problems, but this is probably one of the main reasons to clean house this offseason. You need a GM that doesn't have sunk cost ties to this roster and would actually consider a trade like this.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:13 pm to TigerinATL
Sacramento has to add more. I like fox, but Ingram is the better player. Even in a down year for both
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:31 pm to The_Duke
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How many players at 23-24 yes old has ever done anything note worthy in the league?
Tons and tons. What has Ingram done that was noteworthy? Leading scorer on a sub .500 team?
Everyone keeps saying what a star he is. But casual basketball fans barely know who he is. This is no different than Blazers fans saying how great McCollum is..
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Stop being emotional and actually think
My stance hasn't changed on Ingram since we got him. I wanted to flip him right away. I'm far from being emotional on it. I don't think that he is a great player and he is not a foundational piece.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:49 pm to brmark70816
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This is no different than Blazers fans saying how great McCollum is..
I don't think you're making the point you think you're making with that comparison. ESPN has McCollum ranked as the #30 player, SI has him at #38, CBS Sports has him at #39.
Ingram comes in at ESPN: #26 SI: #33 CBS: #40
I will admit these lists tend to skew towards offensive players, but still you're being overly dismissive here.
ESPN
SI
CBS
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:56 pm to brmark70816
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Tons and ton
Please share w these tons and tons of players that have had huge success at the age of 23
Ingram is on the same trajectory as many other greats that came to the NBA way too young.
He may never be a superstar and that’s mostly to his demeanor—you need that dog in you but he damn sure is a max level all-star
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:01 pm to TotesMcGotes
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Hard disagree.
Make the case?
What player has meant more to our winning(as sparse as it is) than him?
I like JV, but JV and this team is 0-7 without BI.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:01 pm to The_Duke
You want me to name random guys that were better at 21-22? How many do I have to name to win?
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:08 pm to brmark70816
The goal post were max players that young that had huge success in the NBA
But go ahead and name p;Ayer’s that we’re better at 23–sure it will be a list of all time greats that are better than 99% of every other player
But go ahead and name p;Ayer’s that we’re better at 23–sure it will be a list of all time greats that are better than 99% of every other player
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:09 pm to brmark70816
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Tons and tons. What has Ingram done that was noteworthy? Leading scorer on a sub .500 team?
It’s funny, because this is like the ultimate single team fan brain thing.
I remember arguments about AD in the same light, and say what you want, but AD was the best player at the most critical time on a championship winning team.
Turns out, you simply can’t win it alone. And no one is comparing Bi to someone like AD at 24.
The team around a player matters, and if you were GM, some better run organization would swindle the shite out of your narrow minded thinking, because you put a player like BI on the Heat, or Warriors(since I remember you preferring Wiggins) and that team would catapult up the contender list, because suddenly BI has capable teammates and role players that fit his game, and he would go into another level. Things like defense would improve because he’s not working so hard offensively.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:15 pm to The_Duke
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go ahead and name p;Ayer’s that we’re better at 23–
I don't have to go back in history. Basically every good player in the league right now was better at 23 or younger. Giannis is a 5x All star at 26. Lebron James, Zion, Doncic, Trae Young. Seriously, it's not that hard..
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