re: Ingram has literally been our worst player this season, Zion also has not been good

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I would have to see specifics on these defenses because I can assure you zions defense is not contributing to such a decrease in 3pt percentage lol

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Zion’s offense feeds his defense, when he’s on the court without Ingram he’s the focal point of the offense which would make sense as to why he’s better defensively.

Superstars (or superstar talents) want to be the focal point of the team, and they don’t want to defer to lesser players, which is why you see so many of them slack off when they’re forced into roles they know they’re nit suited for.

Man i dont know, I would have to see the lineups, either way, both defenses are shite

And he could easily average 10, I’ve seen this play far too many times for anyone to tell me he couldn’t.

Zion ball watching

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He’s averaging 7 RPG, he’s grabbing rebounds.

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What?

Zion is 11th on this team in DRB%. Take out JRE and Liddell with low minutes, and he's 9th.


Zion ranks 130th in the NBA in DRB%, just behind CJ McCollum and behind guys like Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul.


He goes hard after rebounds on his own misses, that's really it. Defensive rebounding, he's awful.

He has the highest usage on the team by far. And 16th in the league. He just needs to get his shite together and produce like a superstar.

I would have to look at the numbers more closely but reading these numbers don't surprise me. Zion and BI have played more together than ever before this season. Since it is not working, their net ratings have suffered. It also means that Zion has not been on the court with shooting much this season. Our best lineup has been the Hawk/Ryan/Herb/CJ/Jonas lineup. That lineup has shooting and moves the ball. The team's net rating being better with both out is from that lineup and from the fourth qtr last night.



I still think that much of the issues with this team are coaching and fitting round pegs into square holes. Last night is a perfect example. Think back to the third qtr, Zion assisted Jonas on two quick touches which led to a dunk and a corner 3. Then, he and Jonas both go multiple possessions without a touch. Zion was taken out with nearly six minutes left in the third and Jonas was right around that time. Neither came back in during the third qtr. Unfortunately, we aren't going to see guys hustling when they feel frustrated on the other end. The coaching staff needs to have a come to Jesus meeting with each other and the players and get this fixed.

The plan coming into the season was awful. Moving your best player off the ball and having him sit in the corner because "when he isn't out there our offense can't fall apart so we just won't use him as much" is one of the most predictable failures I have seen in the NBA.

Anyone could see Ingram playing for his next contract coming into the season. He's playing to protext his stats first and foremost. Expecting to take a backseat and hurting his stats was always unrealistic. BI said it last year when he came back from injury post all star break. He wasn't going to change his game for anyone. We knew that.

BI and Zion always talk about them playing off of each other but when things get tough, they revert back to what's comfortable.

Definitely wasn’t me lol

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“This is BI’s team”

80% of Pels Talk 12 months ago

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Hell, just before the season started I was laughing at one of the dudes from Pro Pels Talk because he said BI would easily average 10 assists per game in that point guard role this season.

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I would trade them both

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Yeah, that makes zero sense unless you get young stars in return.