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re: Ingram contract offer rumor 4/160-180
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:47 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:47 pm to Colonel Flagg
Why wouldn't Ingram just sign a one year extension? That would make him a UFA when he has 10 years of service (like Mitchell). That gives him 2 years to stack up numbers and potential awards for a huge extension. What would be the max 1 year deal? 45M?
We could still move him at the deadline or next summer then. Wouldn't change much, but give both sides some breathing room..
We could still move him at the deadline or next summer then. Wouldn't change much, but give both sides some breathing room..
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Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion lineup is how we win a championship.
BI was doing well guarding bigger guys late in the season. That’s a switchable defense every where.
I’ll say it again, rim protection starts with good perimeter defense. Know your personnel and who to help off of to help stop penetration, and allow Zion and Trey to challenge at the rim. All 5 guys can rebound. All 5 guys are long.
I’d rather extend him, make CJ come off the bench with Trey, go spend 2 firsts on Kessler.
4/$180 would be a great deal for us for BI. But can see why he wouldn’t want that after seeing what some of these other guys have gotten.
BI was doing well guarding bigger guys late in the season. That’s a switchable defense every where.
I’ll say it again, rim protection starts with good perimeter defense. Know your personnel and who to help off of to help stop penetration, and allow Zion and Trey to challenge at the rim. All 5 guys can rebound. All 5 guys are long.
I’d rather extend him, make CJ come off the bench with Trey, go spend 2 firsts on Kessler.
4/$180 would be a great deal for us for BI. But can see why he wouldn’t want that after seeing what some of these other guys have gotten.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:51 pm to Pels_Yaz
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We were fourth in the West for one day
Blame the out of shape fatass.
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In 5 years together- what have they accomplished?
Well b/c fatass barely plays, they’ve barely played together at all, but when both have been healthy and in shape, I think they look really good, and adding Murray makes them better.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion lineup is how we win a championship.
This is great in theory and maybe in spurts will work but this lineup just won’t work long term. For instance Murray played better without ball dominant Trae. Whats going to happen when hes sharing these duties with BI? Not to mention the lack of rebounding- the best rebounder is Murray. I like the lineup here and there but its not a long term thing.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Blame the out of shape fatass.
Zion was playing great when BI got hurt. I’m not sure what your blaming on Zion here?
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Well b/c fatass barely plays, they’ve barely played together at all, but when both have been healthy and in shape, I think they look really good, and adding Murray makes them better.
Yes and the fact BI is constantly injured and then when he recovers- takes even longer to get back to his normal self. You can’t blame everything on Zion here.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
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For instance Murray played better without ball dominant Trae. Whats going to happen when hes sharing these duties with BI?
BI was elite this past year scoring off picks per his stats.
He’s said he wants to be off the ball more and for us to get a PG.
Murray should average 10+ assists with us.
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his is great in theory and maybe in spurts will work but this lineup just won’t work long term.
It’s the closing lineup. They’d only play maybe 8-10 minutes a game together.
I’d still want a starting 5, Kessler at that.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
If BI will play like he was before the injury and accept being the #3 option
All he has to do is copy how Murry plays
All he has to do is copy how Murry plays
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Zion was playing great when BI got hurt. I’m not sure what your blaming on Zion here?
B/c he was out of shape to start the season. That was obvious and caused us to have to change how we played b/c of it.
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. You can’t blame everything on Zion here.
I’m not at all. No one here seems to ever want to lay any blame on him though.
BIs pussiness of sitting out too much is extremely irritating, and a problem to me and deserves every bit of criticism.
They are both far too injury prone for stupid reasons.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He’s said he wants to be off the ball more and for us to get a PG.
But we had Jrue and Lonzo didn’t we? I mean Zion from a “point” perspective is one of the better players in the league. But wasn’t it insinuated that BI doesn’t like playing with point Zion? At this point, I’m not sure what BI really wants. I personally think Murray will average that with or without BI.
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It’s the closing lineup. They’d only play maybe 8-10 minutes a game together. I’d still want a starting 5, Kessler at that.
That makes sense. I think lineup definitely would work against certain teams.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
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B/c he was out of shape to start the season. That was obvious and caused us to have to change how we played b/c of it.
Agreed.
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They are both far too injury prone for stupid reasons.
This is a main reason they won’t work together. Also why Im glad we got Murray- whos very dependable.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:29 pm to Pels_Yaz
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But we had Jrue and Lonzo didn’t we?
Neither are PGs.
Just b/c their nba page says they are PGs doesn’t make them one.
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That makes sense. I think lineup definitely would work against certain teams.
Exactly. Doesn’t work against Denver, which is why you need Kessler. We should be able to force most teams to match small ball with us if our offense is as efficient as it should be, hunting the opposing big to take off the dribble.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Neither are PGs. Just b/c their nba page says they are PGs doesn’t make them one.
I don’t know. I think Jrue and Lonzo are just as much point guards as Dejounte. Jrue has a higher career assist avg than Dejounte. I really want to ask what do people define as a point guard now if Jrue and Lonzo aren’t point guards?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Exactly. Doesn’t work against Denver, which is why you need Kessler. We should be able to force most teams to match small ball with us if our offense is as efficient as it should be, hunting the opposing big to take off the dribble.
Yeah, it's a high variance strategy: a gamble. But there's a lot of ways that it could be spectacular.
Two years ago, this wouldn't work, because opponents would just put their big on Herb and not worry about his shooting. But if Herb's 3-pt shooting this past season continues, he'll destroy any team that tries to park a big on him to guard him.
So now, it's pick your poison. Dejounte would be the only "short" one at 6'5" (but his really long arms means that he plays taller). Then, there's Zion at 6'6", Herb at 6'7", BI at 6'8", and Trey at 6'10" (I don't care what he's listed at -- he's that tall).
The team rebounding should be fine with that group.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:50 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The team rebounding should be fine with that group.
We say this but its an issue with this group. The main issue is Zion and Herb aren’t strong rebounders. Trey did get better at it and Dejounte is pretty good. I think rebounding is pretty important. The other thing is look at the big teams in the West. How many teams could this actually work against? Maybe kings, clippers and suns.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
In terms of rebounding, this is about as delusional as it gets.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:17 pm to whatiknowsofar
DEAL THIS DUDE.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
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We say this but its an issue with this group. The main issue is Zion and Herb aren’t strong rebounders. Trey did get better at it and Dejounte is pretty good.
Zion improved a lot by the end of the season. At the start of last season, Zion was fat and wasn't a strong rebounder. Different story at the end of the season.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:23 pm to whatiknowsofar
I would be fine with 4/160, I feel like that is roughly what he’s worth.
That is ~25% of the cap next season, and less than 25% each year going forward. There are plenty of players coming off of their rookie contracts getting 25% maxes that aren’t as good as BI.
The issue is, who goes to the bench and who starts next season if he’s brought back. You can’t bench him if you’re trying to trade him, you should probably be looking to trade CJ next off season, so you can’t really bench him either, and Herb and Trey should probably both be starting. Not to mention that we don’t have a center. Sure we could probably throw some picks at Utah and take Kessler into Kira’s TPE, but that’s just a bandaid and doesn’t solve the wing issue.
That is ~25% of the cap next season, and less than 25% each year going forward. There are plenty of players coming off of their rookie contracts getting 25% maxes that aren’t as good as BI.
The issue is, who goes to the bench and who starts next season if he’s brought back. You can’t bench him if you’re trying to trade him, you should probably be looking to trade CJ next off season, so you can’t really bench him either, and Herb and Trey should probably both be starting. Not to mention that we don’t have a center. Sure we could probably throw some picks at Utah and take Kessler into Kira’s TPE, but that’s just a bandaid and doesn’t solve the wing issue.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I’d rather extend him, make CJ come off the bench with Trey, go spend 2 firsts on Kessler.
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Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion
Starting:
Murray
Herb
BI
Zion
Kessler
Bench:
Trey
CJ
Jose
Hawkins
Backup 5
That’s nasty.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Zion improved a lot by the end of the season. At the start of last season, Zion was fat and wasn't a strong rebounder. Different story at the end of the season.
He did. But even his improved rebounding wouldn’t be enough. And thats if he doesn’t start out the season slow. Zion in that group is your best rebounder at 5.8 per game. Thats just not sustainable.
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