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re: If We Sign Holiday, What Next?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:33 am to Crewz
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:33 am to Crewz
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I don't care if the Warriors win the next eight titles as much as I want to see diversity in the product
I don't want every game to be a three point contest
I understand that and agree that there will need to be some adjustment. I was just speaking to the comment of "what do we do about the Warriors sweeping...will NBA step in to make a more competitive series?" Moving back the 3pt line does nothing to the Warriors dominance (not that you are concerned about the Warriors in particular, but others seem to be) and I don't think there is anyway to change competition with the KD Warriors. They are going to dominate until the core is injured or forced to change. Should just let it take it's course.
As far as the separate issue of too many 3pt attempts, unfortunately I think the NBA is going to embrace the pace and space trend for a while. Steph's popularity is a good bit rooted in his relatability. Young and old fans/players can shoot from deep and mimic him whereas back in the day you had to lower the goal to 8' to pretend to mimic Jordan and Co.
AAU kids are no longer learning the fundamentals and think the game is all about jacking up 3's, so it sucks for the future, but casual fans also like the higher scores and faster pace. The tide will eventually turn. It is easy to appreciate the Warriors game with their elite shooters, defense, and ball movement. It gets less entertaining with the Rockets style and will eventually fall out of favor as the majority of teams move towards that. With the recent news of Dwight wanting to take more 3's next season, we may have jumped the shark already.
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:18 pm to PelicansBay
It is cool to start plugging stuff we're selling online as long as there's a decent post preceding It?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:34 pm to Number 31
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It is cool to start plugging stuff we're selling online as long as there's a decent post preceding It?
Asking for a friend.
Pretty sure we have no mod or at the least an absentee mod over here. Can pretty much do whatever you want. They may take it down in a week or two when they check in.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:35 pm to NOFOX
He'd have to put up a decent post first
I'd imagine that would be the harder part.
I'd imagine that would be the harder part.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:14 pm to NOFOX
Yeah this place is the Wild West of TD. Remember that ISIS thread that was accidentally posted here instead of the Poli board and stayed up for like a week 
?
? This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:17 pm to NOFOX
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AAU kids are no longer learning the fundamentals and think the game is all about jacking up 3's
i dont know about that. certainly flaws in AAU circuit, but most people would agree that the league is in a golden age w/r/t talent and skill. and the US is dominant on every level of international ball. and i am no fan of NCAA ball, but, clearly, something is being done right in the development department
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unfortunately I think the NBA is going to embrace the pace and space trend for a while
why is this bad?
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It gets less entertaining with the Rockets style
Rockets were a lot more fun to watch this year than in the past. but i get the critique that people want different styles of play. it isnt a bugaboo for me, but i understand that point.
and, again, we're acting like this is just the way it will be forever and ever. a decade ago, a league like this was unfathomable- how will anyone ever play like the Suns? there's no way the Spurs will EVER play like that.....
we're already seeing the next wave of talent in the league and it is tilting towards big men who match skill/speed + size in equal measures. Towns, Davis, Jokic, Porzingis, Embiid et al. those guys are so young, but they are coming to change the way the league plays. remember, LeBron wasn't his unlocked as his best version until about a decade into his career.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:47 pm to corndeaux
If you don't change the line or rules significantly, not only will it NOT go back, but it will get worse
There is no reason to build a team like Memphis anymore and every team will be playing a version of Warriors or Rockets ball by 2019-2020
Every year will shatter the previous years three point attempts record. It ain't going back unless you change something
There is no reason to build a team like Memphis anymore and every team will be playing a version of Warriors or Rockets ball by 2019-2020
Every year will shatter the previous years three point attempts record. It ain't going back unless you change something
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:19 pm to Crewz
The thing I use to like about the NBA is: all positions were on equal footing. Today's game favors guards and wing players. The All-Star game doesn't even recognize the C position. Today's game favors fundamentals over athleticism. Wing players get all kinds of touch fouls, while big men routinely have to get mugged to get a whistle.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:28 pm to PelicansBay
I think its in our best interest as well as his to sign a 3yr deal. 3rd year being a player option
He reaches the 10 year veteran mark after year 2 of that contract. Opts out, some team with big pockets throws it at him.
He reaches the 10 year veteran mark after year 2 of that contract. Opts out, some team with big pockets throws it at him.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 4:01 pm to Crewz
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There is no reason to build a team like Memphis anymore
that is a wide berth.
no one should build a team with so little shooting. and no one should build a team around post play. that doesn't mean you can't have dominant bigs...it just means those bigs dont look like the guys we grew up watching.
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It ain't going back unless you change something
perhaps
it is easy to get caught up in the here and now. i'm more optimistic in the ingenuity of people paid to live this sport at this level coming up with ways to compete with the Warriors and twist the game to maximize their own talent. i have faith we'll see the next Thibs come up with a defensive scheme to slow down this current offensive explosion.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 5:10 pm to corndeaux
I don't get caught up in the moment. I have a lot of faults but that is definitely not one.
There is no defensive scheme when guys can shoot it off the dribble and there never will be. And more guys will be able to shoot it off the dribble at 34+ percent. And that's all you need to make it a shot worth taking
You've gotta make it a 25-30 percent shot or the math just says to shoot it more
There is no defensive scheme when guys can shoot it off the dribble and there never will be. And more guys will be able to shoot it off the dribble at 34+ percent. And that's all you need to make it a shot worth taking
You've gotta make it a 25-30 percent shot or the math just says to shoot it more
Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:35 am to Crewz
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There is no defensive scheme when guys can shoot it off the dribble
that's something different than teams making passes to open shooters for 3s. catch and shoot numbers have exploded, while pull up 3s have increased, but at a much lower rate (excluding the Rockets).
i agree on the math. but that is in a vacuum. these are real people making decisions in real time that aren't always coldly logical (unless you are Houston).
maybe teams decide Houston has it right. or maybe they look at the Spurs, who are taking tons of mid-range shots and still lighting up the scoreboard.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:57 am to corndeaux
Ian Levy with a piece that explains some of my thoughts on this much more eloquently than I can
LINK
LINK
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The solution for a lack of parity is not to create a cottage industry around manufacturing artificial structures of parity. The solution is novelty.
If you’re a fan of the Milwaukee Bucks, you’re probably already there. The hopeless flailing of the Cavaliers feels less urgent when you’re day-dreaming about lineups with Giannis Antetokounmpo at center. Or a healthy Joel Embiid euro-stepping in transition. Or Kristaps Porzingis coming off pin-down screens to hit dagger 3s. Or Nikola Jokic putting on puppet shows from the elbow, and the moment when defense clicks for Karl-Anthony Towns and the game begins to move for him at a molecular pace.
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None of those teams or players are challenging the Warriors next year, none of those teams or players are assured of challenging for anything at all, ever. Even if they do someday crawl to the point of championship contention, it’s likely to be well past the admittedly distant expiration date of these Warriors.
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They are future stars and we can already see the ways in which they will express skill and aesthetic, function and form, differently than their basketball ancestors.
They are modern and fast and swole, with skill sets that contort the game into new directions. They are novelty incarnate.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:08 pm to corndeaux
IMO, if parity is the goal then the CBA needs to be completely blown up and remade more in the likeness of the NFL's CBA.
With all the exemptions allowing super teams to form and the salary cap not really capping anything, it's hard to see real parity in the near future.
CBA aside, one good step would be to get rid of the hand-check rule.
Shaq is retired. There is no longer a need for it. It's a stupid rule that limits the talents of some of the game's best players (think AD/DC, Towns, etc.), and pussifies basketball rendering only one style of play really championship-level effective.
Get rid of that rule and you can add 8-10 wins for the Pels next season right away.
With all the exemptions allowing super teams to form and the salary cap not really capping anything, it's hard to see real parity in the near future.
CBA aside, one good step would be to get rid of the hand-check rule.
Shaq is retired. There is no longer a need for it. It's a stupid rule that limits the talents of some of the game's best players (think AD/DC, Towns, etc.), and pussifies basketball rendering only one style of play really championship-level effective.
Get rid of that rule and you can add 8-10 wins for the Pels next season right away.
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:10 pm to Number 31
Basketball today just isn't as fun to watch as it was when big men were allowed to use their size and strength to dominate offensively.
That rule is among my biggest objections and I'd love to see it done away with for good.
That rule is among my biggest objections and I'd love to see it done away with for good.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:04 pm to Number 31
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CBA aside, one good step would be to get rid of the hand-check rule.
Shaq is retired. There is no longer a need for it. It's a stupid rule that limits the talents of some of the game's best players (think AD/DC, Towns, etc.), and pussifies basketball rendering only one style of play really championship-level effective.
Get rid of that rule and you can add 8-10 wins for the Pels next season right away.
I agree 100%. I think getting rid of that rule would balance everything out. I never understood why they implemented it in the first place, it took the physical NBA style from the game. I know the NBA wants to spread their brand globally, but having international rules for NBA quality athletes handicap some of the games most unique players.Shaq style players don't fit in today's NBA.The Drummonds and Howards of the world are afterthoughts with today's NBA rules.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:15 pm to corndeaux
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They are future stars and we can already see the ways in which they will express skill and aesthetic, function and form, differently than their basketball ancestors.
They are modern and fast and swole, with skill sets that contort the game into new directions. They are novelty incarnate.
And they'll lose to a barrage of 3s from the Lou Williams of the world.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:18 pm to PelicansBay
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I never understood why they implemented it in the first place
Primmadonnas who didn't want to defend the likes of Shaq complaining and cutting up.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 12:39 am to PelicansBay
Frick dat move holliday to da point and go all in for butler at SG and that'll put us in the second round of the playoffs for sure!! But itll be tough landing good players like melo to come to with all this dead money on project players... We need to go all in!! Butler, jamal crawford, and melo... Get rid of everybody else but da young kid who come off da bench and build a bench with the left over money!!!!
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 12:40 am
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:43 am to Number 31
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limits the talents of some of the game's best players (think AD/DC, Towns
how are those guys limited by the current rules?
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rendering only one style of play really championship-level effective
so i dont quite buy that. but i'll go with it- how does returning to low post, center oriented play not do the same thing, just as something you prefer?
and i guess i dont quite understand. to me, hand check rules opened things up for perimeter offense more than anything else. how does tightening hand check rules hurt post offense?
is it the defensive side you're looking at? or do you think the rules made perimeter offense easier/more efficient than post play and a reverting to the old rules would tip the balance back to post play?
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