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re: If Pels Win Lotto But AD still wants out
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:50 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:50 am to TigerinATL
quote:Personally I think all of that youth would be too much for a coaching staff to handle/develop. I think the conservative approach of keeping Jrue and taking the Celtics package would likely be deemed the more reasonable approach for Griffin.
That's the other angle that made it feel like not the best idea. You're attempting the KD/Westbrook/Harden OKC build method but you're doing it all in one draft. OKC wasn't able to keep that build together even with those 3 staggered.
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:01 am to TigerinATL
OKC had a few problems, the big one being that the changes to the CBA spiked Durant’s contract and made them look long and hard at whether to keep Harden due to tax considerations.
You can argue whether the fault goes on ownership or Presti but they basically chose Perkins and Ibaka over Harden for tax purposes and it has lead them to the current roster.
You can argue whether the fault goes on ownership or Presti but they basically chose Perkins and Ibaka over Harden for tax purposes and it has lead them to the current roster.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:06 am to TigerinATL
I want my picks spread across multiple drafts not all in the same one.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:06 am to Crewz
The concern with a full rebuild without a serious vet is that you are teams like Chicago and Phoenix. No leadership, just a bunch of talent.
I would do what Philly did, essentially have your base (Simmons, Embiid) and get a quality, long-tenured role player that actually contribute (like a JJ Reddick), and a few other veteran leaders to help steady the lockerroom (Jarryd Bayless, Ersan Ilyasova). Too much youth is not a great thing, but you need some to grow into a better player on a cost:value rate.
Jrue has a lot of value in either way you do it, he would likely be closer to 33-35 by the time a rebuild completes.
But with a Boston trade, we could very well contend in 2-3. meaning he'd be closer to 31-32.
I'm not keen on Barrett, so if its jrue for RJ...I'll pass. If its Jrue for Ja+filler, I'd be okay with that.
I would do what Philly did, essentially have your base (Simmons, Embiid) and get a quality, long-tenured role player that actually contribute (like a JJ Reddick), and a few other veteran leaders to help steady the lockerroom (Jarryd Bayless, Ersan Ilyasova). Too much youth is not a great thing, but you need some to grow into a better player on a cost:value rate.
Jrue has a lot of value in either way you do it, he would likely be closer to 33-35 by the time a rebuild completes.
But with a Boston trade, we could very well contend in 2-3. meaning he'd be closer to 31-32.
I'm not keen on Barrett, so if its jrue for RJ...I'll pass. If its Jrue for Ja+filler, I'd be okay with that.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:10 am to Crewz
Well my plan A would be if we draft Zion, and Ja is there at 3 (although I can't see Suns passing on him if he's there) that's really the only way I'd trade Jrue right now. And with AD I'd end up up taking the Boston deal and roll with a Zion, Ja, and Tatum core. I think those 3 all mesh amazingly well together.
Now before I get to plan B, let me say that I am actually leaning towards Pascal Siakam being my top player to get back from the AD trade. But I don't think Siakam and Zion's games compliment each other well so I'm not including him in my plan B. So basically getting Zion with our own pick would make me lean towards this deal..
Plan B...
AD to Brooklyn. Get back Russell, Allen, Levert, Harris and 2 or 3 future draft draft picks (if they'd give up that much).
Roll with a core of Zion, Russell, and Jrue. And hope that the 4 players you're taking away from Brooklyn makes them awful even with AD so that those future picks will be good.
Now before I get to plan B, let me say that I am actually leaning towards Pascal Siakam being my top player to get back from the AD trade. But I don't think Siakam and Zion's games compliment each other well so I'm not including him in my plan B. So basically getting Zion with our own pick would make me lean towards this deal..
Plan B...
AD to Brooklyn. Get back Russell, Allen, Levert, Harris and 2 or 3 future draft draft picks (if they'd give up that much).
Roll with a core of Zion, Russell, and Jrue. And hope that the 4 players you're taking away from Brooklyn makes them awful even with AD so that those future picks will be good.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:14 am to Saintsntigers04
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his isn't football where being 28 is considered old. For basketball they consider a players prime years between 25 and low 30s so he's exactly at the stage in his career you would want him
& the young team would be young for another 4-5 years while Jrue would be in year 15. He’ll have to be a much improved shooter to keep him around at age 33/year 15
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:20 am to Crewz
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Knicks are offering 4, all the future Dallas picks plus 3 future Knicks picks
So you're getting 6 firsts + young players? That's not happening.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:23 am to GeauxTigers2020
Part of me thinks Brown will be the best player when its all said and done from Boston. Including the picks. Hes 6'7 225 freak athlete, can defend, shooting and overall offense is improving. I like him alot
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:35 am to Sharp85
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Part of me thinks Brown will be the best player when its all said and done from Boston. Including the picks. Hes 6'7 225 freak athlete, can defend, shooting and overall offense is improving. I like him alot
I agree, when it comes down to the Boston trade you're getting a guy who's likely surefire to become a Rudy Gay/Danny Granger type player in Tatum.
Hell, if he improves the volume/efficiency he will be there in the next couple of years.
But Brown is an interesting player. He can become a modern day Jimmy Butler.
Year 3 Brown: 25.9 MPG
46.5/34.4/65.8
4.2 RPG, 1.4 APG, 0.4 BPG, 0.9 SPG, 1.3 TOV, 13.0 PPG
Year 3 Butler: 38.7 MPG
39.7/28.3/76.9
4.9 RPG, 2.6 APG, 0.5 BPG, 1.9 SPG, 1.5 TOV, 13.1 PPG
Compare that to Year 2 of Brown: 30.7 MPG
46.5/39.5/64.4
4.9 RPG, 1.6 APG, 0.4 BPG, 1.0 SPG, 1.8 TOV, 14.5 PPG
He still has a high ceiling, if he and Tatum can grow into their projection in the next 2 years and Zion is at the very least Julius Randle offensively.
Looking at 4 guys who can score 18+PPG a night consistently and 4 guys who can defend well
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:38 am to htran90
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He can become a modern day Jimmy Butler.
Wouldn't that be....Jimmy Butler?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:05 pm to SLafourche07
I'm astonished at the number of picks and guys people think one year of Davis buys you.
And, you guys who think morant is available at three ... nah.
If you really end up with ja and Zion, keep Jrue.
He's fabulous and can mentor ja some.
Now just sign kawhi.
And, you guys who think morant is available at three ... nah.
If you really end up with ja and Zion, keep Jrue.
He's fabulous and can mentor ja some.
Now just sign kawhi.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:08 pm to Crazed2APoint
I would do that Nets deal in a heartbeat if we landed Zion...
I would also go with a Clips package of:
SGA, Shamet, Galo, Harrel and a couple 1sts including the Miami one..
Then turn around and flip Moore and Hill for Whiteside
Either one of those trades and we would have a 1 offseason rebuild
I would also go with a Clips package of:
SGA, Shamet, Galo, Harrel and a couple 1sts including the Miami one..
Then turn around and flip Moore and Hill for Whiteside
Either one of those trades and we would have a 1 offseason rebuild
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:10 pm to CelticDog
Since the Celtics are still seemingly the front runners to end up with AD, post what you think the Celtics would give up for him and we can compare to what the Pels actually get.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:22 pm to SLafourche07
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Since the Celtics are still seemingly the front runners to end up with AD, post what you think the Celtics would give up for him and we can compare to what the Pels actually get.
I actually think when it's all said and done Boston will be willing to give up Tatum, Smart AND brown AND the draft picks.
I think the competition looks a lot better than it did a few months ago. Players like Siakam, and D'Angelo Russell took steps to make them worthwhile trade chips in the second half of the season and playoffs. So I think that's gonna force Boston's hands because they have a lot riding on getting AD to help keep Kyrie from bailing.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:42 pm to Soggymoss
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Then turn around and flip Moore and Hill for Whiteside
Hill is a negative.
Moore is good but not great.
Whiteside is a great interior player. Avg 12 and 12. No way.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:49 pm to CelticDog
Whiteside also has a 27 million dollar cap hit that Miami really does not want to pay
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:58 pm to CelticDog
Miami is in a weird arse situation.
Little talent, capped to hell and back, and they don’t even own their own first next season.
I don’t think they send out Whiteside since tanking does them little good but Riley could pull some Isiah Thomas crap and try to kick the can down the road instead of bottoming out.
Little talent, capped to hell and back, and they don’t even own their own first next season.
I don’t think they send out Whiteside since tanking does them little good but Riley could pull some Isiah Thomas crap and try to kick the can down the road instead of bottoming out.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:02 pm to Crazed2APoint
quote:
I actually think when it's all said and done Boston will be willing to give up Tatum, Smart AND brown AND the draft picks.
completely agree
they'll offer everything for davis (and they should)
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:16 pm to CelticDog
quote:Whiteside has become a very expensive malcontent.
Hill is a negative.
Moore is good but not great.
Whiteside is a great interior player. Avg 12 and 12. No way.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:51 pm to SLafourche07
quote:
Wouldn't that be....Jimmy Butler?
Hahaha, yeah. I meant prime because obviously he's on the down trend.
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