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re: I still think this team needs more shooting

Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:59 am to
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:59 am to
YTD 3 pt shooting



last 15 games, efficiency

Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12347 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:08 pm to
Zion is going to free up a lot of wide open shots. Trey and CJ will THRIVE off his abilities.
Posted by Pelican707
Member since Apr 2021
61 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:08 pm to
Get a grip lol.. every player in our rotation is at worst average shooter … calm down and be happy stop always looking for things to fix
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1846 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:34 pm to
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If you dig in it seems to be a combo of 2 things:

1.) Lack of secondary elite talent to free up and set up BI most of the year

2) Shot selection emphasis going even stronger to the mid range.


I think the Pels actually have more 3-pt shooting than we realize. I assume, with the return of Zion, BI will go back to where he was his first 2 years at NO. A very solid 38.5% 3-pt shooter, 42.6% on C&S...and very importantly, 35% of his total shots taken being 3-pters. We currently don't shoot enough 3s and shoot them very poorly. BI should help this "problem" next year...since he had dropped to 32.7% on 3s/36.3% C&S/with ONLY 23% of his shots coming from 3-pt range this year. This is a horrible developement (although maybe necessary with current team makeup)

Herb will improve his 3-pt shot next year. I woulda been VERY happy with 33/34% this year. I think he'll end up at 34/35%. (Next year, I expect 36/38% from 3 by Herb) And although his 3-pt "usage rate" is a very poor 29.4%, that is deceiving because of the incredible 35/37 "foot faults" he has suffered while attempting what are suppose to be 3-pt attempts. His adjusted 3-pt usage is right around the target of 36%.

By the way, the last thing we want to do with Herb is make him ONLY a corner 3-pt shooter. He shoots close to 50% of his 3s from above the break & 50% from the corner, and his shooting % is very close from either location. Making someone ONLY a corner 3 shooter, when they have the same success from non-corner...imo, is not very smart as it has many downsides associated with it, which, since this post is already TOO long, I won't go into at this time.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 1:04 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38872 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:55 pm to
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Dinky Mulberry

you were on herb from day 1 when most of us thought he’d be in the D league most of the year. You post as often and as long as you want son
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61560 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:00 pm to
Don't you have a running count of Herb's toe on the line 2s? Is that what the 35/37 number was? Because if he had 35 more 3s made that would make him a very good 3 point shooter.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Kerchek
Member since Oct 2021
585 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:11 pm to
If the Lakers pick ends up 5-8 Mathurin is the pick.

6-6' SG with a 6-10" wingspan. Elite athlete who can really shoot.

Yes. Please.
Posted by Eman5805
West Bank
Member since Nov 2010
5098 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:22 pm to
Ignore that starting lineup. JV isn’t going to finish many games unless the matchups favor it.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22386 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:22 pm to
quote:


He was a 38 and 39% 3pt shooter the past two seasons. This year 32%. That is very shitty for a player of his caliber.


I mean you have to factor in that % is w/o Zion ALL YEAR and w/o CJ most of the year. How many of those 3s were contested or out of necessity bc he was the only scorer on the floor.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1846 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:26 pm to
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Don't you have a running count of Herb's toe on the line 2s? Is that what the 35/37 number was? Because if he had 35 more 3s made that would make him a very good 3 point shooter.


Actually the 35 "foot faults" Herb has this year would only be beneficial for him from the point of view of increasing his overall % of shots taken being 3-pt shots. Would "move" him from 29%, which is way too low, to about 36%, which is about where you would want him to be. So, Herb doesn't really have a 3-pt "uasage" problem.

Amazingly, Herb is also shooting his 35 "foot faults" at VERY close to 34/35%. About the same as his "real" 3-pt shot %. The only good thing about the "35" is that it helps eliminate the "low sample size" factor that some may have with Herb's 3-pt #s.

I kept thinking they might work to eliminate Herb's "foot" problem. About 20% of his 3s were actually LONG 2s. The worse shot in basketball. But, I think they didn't want to mess with Herb's shot mid-way through the season, just let him hit his 34/35% and work out the "foot" problem, after the season is over. Along with some other of Herb's offensive problems.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31621 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:32 pm to
The biggest thing that will take us from a top 4 seed to a top 2 seed besides Zion not being a liability on defense and staying healthy will be BI and Herb becoming consistent 3 point shooters, especially Herb. He’s so important defensively that if he ever shoots 39-40% from 3 then that adds so much for us.

And if BI shoots it at that same clip…look out
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:32 pm to
Isn't a foot fault non three a peripheral vision problem and not shot technique based?
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31621 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Mathurin is the pick. 6-6' SG with a 6-10" wingspan



This. Will be important to add a shooter with the Lakers pick this year, preferably a guard so someone can take over for Graham and take shots away from him.
Posted by BasedTiger
Member since Mar 2016
41 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:37 pm to
Beyond this, he also has taken a significant less amount of 3s this year. He knows his bread and butter is the mid range, elbow 2 and he gets there everytime. Those %s don’t tell the whole story.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1846 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Isn't a foot fault non three a peripheral vision problem and not shot technique based?


They had to do quite a bit of work on Herb's shot for sure, but I think the foot fault problem is totally the result of...during the course of game action, Herb has the habit of sliding his left foot up a coupla inches just before he takes the shot. He sets up just fine, behind the line, and probably isn't even aware of the "slide" at the time he does it. Should be easily fixed, once the season is over.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:04 pm to
Ok that makes sense

I didn't think about a foot sliding situation, seems pretty anomalous
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 2:07 pm
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