re: Honest Zion talk for Emotional Intelligent Folks

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Nobody expected him to be this unstoppable as a ball handler and in the pick and roll. If anything, his ceiling is way higher.

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i think people undersold his handles. his time at Duke projected him as a shorter/squattier version of young LBJ

his driving and finishing ability was a big part of that super duper star projection

what i'm saying is imagine him with his Duke-era burst on top of what he's showing. THAT is what i thought he'd be early on in his career

i imagine i just saw a much higher ceiling than people in this thread did for the most part. that would explain a lot

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I’ll just never understand why people would prefer to defend the indefensible instead of just admitting they were wrong

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most people calling me out are saying that i said/did things i didn't do. we can't even have a discussion when people are lying

see: your posts and p bean's posts for examples

at least the person who thought i said that we should have taken ja over zion admitted it was a mistake when pointed out

here it is

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In terms of worst case scenarios, Oliver Miller is a tall floor, P

If I wanted to be mean, I'd have said Bennett

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that started b/c of this pretty complimentary thing i said about Zion

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and Griffin was the projection of the lower-end of Zion's best case scenario projection. Zion's worst case scenario was more like Oliver Miller

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I’m catching up. You are defending your take of it was possible for Zion to be Oliver Miller? That is what you are defending? Weird.

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You left out the part showing your link to a photo of Oliver Miller’s fatass.

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i linked the thread

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fricking comparing Zion to Oliver Miller.

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i said that's his absolute worst case scenario

worst case scenario for even high lottery picks is "out of the league in 3 years". Oliver Miller had a productive career over 10 years

you're being histrionic, just like saying i compared him to Anthony Bennett (who is the worst case scenario for pretty much 99% of lottery picks, but wasn't for Zion). your emotional state doesn't allow you to comprehend simple things and you clutch to rage.

what do you do when you get upset in real life? kick a dog or something?

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You are defending your take of it was possible for Zion to be Oliver Miller?

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as a worst case scenario projection

Oliver Miller started 50 games 7 times in his career

Zion is so good that his "worst case" is well above your typical NBA lottery bust like Adam Morrison, Stromile Swift, Bennett, Darko, Thabeet, etc. that sort of floor is the "worst case" for 99% of NBA draft picks. Zion's is high enough to be "career starter over a decade" which is miles ahead of a, say, Joe Alexander

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It was just simply an emotional and horrid take.

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it's literally the opposite. there is no emotion in that comment whatsoever. now the fandom ignoring what an NBA bust career is? that's emotional

this is about ranges. if you don't understand that Zion could bust out, then you're ignoring ranges and posting with your fan-induced heart

if the lowest outcome possible (outside of death) is Oliver Miller, then that's an incredible floor, considering "lowest outcome possible" could mean, well, Anthony Bennett

you don't see this b/c you're thinking emotionally like a fan and won't allow yourself to see the possible ranges

again, this original conversation started with me saying that the low-end of his high range is Blake Griffin. that means that if Zion pans out in the range above average growth, the worst case scenario in that range is a comp of a borderline HOF guy. that's not exactly being critical of Mr. Williamson

*ETA: Miller was also chosen specifically b/c of Zion's weight issues. there aren't that many good examples of guys who were talented enough to last in the NBA while being real fat. That was also posted when Zion was still showing signs of not being in tip-top shape after a year where he had major weight issues for almost a calendar year.

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Yeah. Cuz everyone else watched Zion and thought hmm, worse case scenario is he is Oliver Miller or Anthony Bennett. Right???? Hahahahaha.

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if Zion blows up to 340+ lbs, what do you think he's going to be doing out there?

20 ppg? 15 ppg? less? more?

will his rpg or apg increase?

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You just dont get it do ya. Why are you thinking Zion is going to turn into a fatass like Oscar Miller did is the better question.

Let me help ya. Zion weighed 285 as a freshman at Duke. Which is about what he weighs now.

Only you think he has a weight problem/will be Oscar Miller.

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No, he doesn't think that at all. Your reading comprehension needs to improve.

This is a silly thread that is being dragged along by intentional misunderstanding in an attempt to drag SFP.

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No, he doesn't think that at all. Your reading comprehension needs to improve.

This is a silly thread that is being dragged along by intentional misunderstanding in an attempt to drag SFP.

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His reading comprehension is fine.

Much like our conversation in the Redick thread where you came in and immediately went at me by implying stupidity and ignorance while having not actually engaged the underlying facts the conversation was based upon, this guy is attempting to retcon his post history when the prime example is on the first page.

Now he’s attempting to point to things he said a month later in the timeline after he moved the goal posts the first time.

All while still trying to defend his initial take by contorting it just enough to see if people buy it. Even though any honest reading of his posts, and who he kept agreeing with, see that for the fraud it is.

The crux of the issue with this thread is people made hyperbolic and reactionary negative attacks toward Zion because they got in their feels and couldn’t grasp that achieving greatness is a process and not an overnight phenomenon. In SFP’s case he wanted to lower his ceiling after 35 games and argued his ceiling is no longer best player in the league unless he re-obtains whatever mythical level of college athleticism he believes Zion had but lost.

Most of the people that had takes along those lines are either staying silent or have taken their licks and are just happy to see Zion’s success, for some reason SFP doesn’t want to do either. So this thread marches on.