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re: Honest Zion talk for Emotional Intelligent Folks
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Again.....
Come on now, Page one:
You wanted to lower his ceiling after 34 games and because he didn’t perform to your satisfaction some arbitrary cherry picked gif from college.
Let’s not gaslight and just get our serving.
Listen, I’m all in hoping my crow serving about trading back from Hunter, who’s a beast, comes strong and hard for me because it means Hayes and NAW end up the real deal and sooner than I anticipated was likely.
Embrace it.
Come on now, Page one:
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but that still is kind of my point. on the level of player, we thought he'd be much more lebron than griffin. now being griffin is still a great player and obviously worthy of the #1 pick, but it isn't the generational guy we all thought we were getting
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Me:quote:
His ceiling is still best player in the leagueThat hasn’t changed in 34 games.
You:
If we don't start seeing athleticism like the gif on page 1, then this is no longer true.
You wanted to lower his ceiling after 34 games and because he didn’t perform to your satisfaction some arbitrary cherry picked gif from college.
Let’s not gaslight and just get our serving.
Listen, I’m all in hoping my crow serving about trading back from Hunter, who’s a beast, comes strong and hard for me because it means Hayes and NAW end up the real deal and sooner than I anticipated was likely.
Embrace it.
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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would you say there is, say, at least a 5% chance this occurs within his career?
If you're saying that 5% includes catastrophic injury? Sure.
If you're saying that based on Zion's ability/potential you think there's a path towards him being a career backup, that's just silly. If his career up to this point is some fluke, or he plateaus, you're talking about a Julius Randle level floor.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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his time at Duke projected him as a shorter/squattier version of young LBJ
bullshite. At best I saw people compare him to Barkley. I never saw people compare him to LBJ.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:11 pm to TigerinATL
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If you're saying that 5% includes catastrophic injury? Sure.
no that was 5% that he blows up in weight in a major way
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:12 pm to Bronc
i already addressed that specifically
i'm hoping he gets his Duke-level athleticism back but he still hasn't. imagine Zion's play with that level of athleticism
i'm hoping he gets his Duke-level athleticism back but he still hasn't. imagine Zion's play with that level of athleticism
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
What do you believe happened between now and Duke to where he’s no longer “that” athletic
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no that was 5% that he blows up in weight in a major way
BS. If you thoight it was a 5% chance you wouldnt link Oliver Miller and Zion repeatedly.
And your strawman argument “bbbbuuttt what it Zion gets hurt like Blake Griffin.”
Umm newsflash that applies to every player not just big men.
Ex. If Luka gets a horrible inj and isnt the same.
Former star players (not big men) that fit this description:
Isiah Thomas
Gilbert arenas
Brandon roy
Penny hardaway
Steve francis
Derrick rose
Grant hill
Tmac
Allan houston
You can literally argue that anyone can get hurt.
So this shite is also stupid.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i already addressed that specifically
i'm hoping he gets his Duke-level athleticism back but he still hasn't. imagine Zion's play with that level of athleticism
You claimed he can’t be the best player in the league anymore if he doesn’t demonstrate this mythical athleticism from college you have for him. Full stop.
Either you’re buying or selling that take still.
If you want to hold that stock still, people probably have a right to keep clowning, if you are selling then cool, it’s the right move, because it’s clear he’s already breaking the league as is without whatever athleticism you think he has to have or else best player isn’t an option.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:25 pm to WicKed WayZ
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What do you believe happened between now and Duke to where he’s no longer “that” athletic
he's looking better than when this thread started
knee injury + his weight gain are a lot of it. i think we're also training him to basically play less explosive to decrease the chance of injury. he had some serious biomechanical issues in how his body moves and that's no secret, just like training him to play differently is no secret. it sucks, but luckily he's still a supreme badass and we have a much less chance of a greg oden situation (i didn't even include this the lower-range/bust potential discussion because of the work done on his biomechanics)
how SVG used him made him look a lot worse. that's why if you go back to my early posts in this thread i focus on this specifically. i have reposted those quotes recently.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:28 pm to P bean
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If you thoight it was a 5% chance you wouldnt link Oliver Miller and Zion repeatedly.
i linked him once and you have basically repeated various straw man comments after
i'm only bringing it up repeatedly because you repeatedly say inaccurate/dishonest things. once you get honest, my responses will stop
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And your strawman argument “bbbbuuttt what it Zion gets hurt like Blake Griffin.”
that wasn't even an argument i made
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You can literally argue that anyone can get hurt.
sure. i'm not arguing that, though
that's why i referenced Anthony Bennett as the "worst case scenario for NBA lottery picks" and not Greg Oden, bubba
again, you are creating a straw man by claiming arguments that i allegedly made that doesn't exist in reality
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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knee injury + his weight gain are a lot of it
Isnt his weight listed the same now as it was at Duke?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:33 pm to Bronc
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You claimed he can’t be the best player in the league anymore if he doesn’t demonstrate this mythical athleticism from college you have for him.
it's going to be tough
at peak level, he's gotta overtake Giannis and then Luka, once Giannis loses a step. Giannis is only 26 so he's probably got 5-6 more years of this level of play easily. Luka is only 22 (a little more than a year older than Zion).
i probably shouldn't have been so decisive on THAT one point, i'll give you that. but it's not some guarantee
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:33 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Isnt his weight listed the same now as it was at Duke?
the referenced discussion is from 2.5 months ago
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm only bringing it up repeatedly because you repeatedly say inaccurate/dishonest things. once you get honest, my responses will stop
Lol, wut? So you didnt compare Zion to Oliver Miller/Anthoney Bennett now?
LOL. Riggggghhhttt.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:27 pm to P bean
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Lol, wut? So you didnt compare Zion to Oliver Miller/Anthoney Bennett now?
oh i like how you slightly correct yourself and include miller when all you wanted to do was use Bennett
and i never compared Zion to either, really. i compared possible projections of Zion to Miller. Bennett was never involved
now your turn: yes or no: is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and i never compared Zion to either, really. i compared possible projections of Zion to Miller. Bennett was never involved
LOL youre a wierd dude. You can’t throw out Oliver Miller and Anthony Bennett as Zion comps and then deny it.
Your posts:
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In terms of worst case scenarios, Oliver Miller is a tall floor, P If I wanted to be mean, I'd have said Bennett
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and Griffin was the projection of the lower-end of Zion's best case scenario projection. Zion's worst case scenario was more like Oliver Miller
Also you:
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most people calling me out are saying that i said/did things i didn't do. we can't even have a discussion when people are lying
Who is lying? LOL
FYI, the ONLY time Ive ever seen, read, etc any opinion that Oliver Miller/Bennett are comp players for Zion is from you/this board.
Meanwhile, the rest of us are in awe of Zion’s beast mode levels.
News flash, Zion is NOT comparable to Mille/Bennett. At all. There is no excuse for even saying it. GTF
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 7:48 am to P bean
yes or no: is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
Posted on 4/3/21 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
340 still seems high though. You should’ve gone with 350 to get some sympathy upvotes
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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yes or no: is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
Are you basing this on what happened during the Bubble? Because the initial assumption was mama’s home cooking is so good it wrecked him in a week and a half, but later speculation that he got COVID and they kept it secret because they wanted Zion in Bubble games for ratings fit the facts a lot better. From getting in terrible shape so quickly to no leaks from anywhere about what personal issue he was dealing with.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:02 am to Baron
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You should’ve gone with 350 to get some sympathy upvotes
i purposefully kept it away from treefiddy
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