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re: Herb cant start anymore
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:13 pm to chRxis
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:13 pm to chRxis
Liability is a strong word. Limited offensively is more accurate. At the end of the day he averages 10.1ppg and that with poor shooting from deep. That's a hell of a lot better than a guy like Thybulle.
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Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:38 pm to chRxis
quote:How do you know that this season is the norm and last season is the outlier?
exactly... Herb being an offensive liability is not an anomaly... that's the EXACT sentiment from his scouting report! strong perimeter defender, tons of hustle, little offensive firepower... he's just, now, not playing above his level... he's playing at it
If you want to reference scouting report, even if the scouting report liked his defense, it certainly wasn't correct. If it were correct, he would have been a top 10-20 pick, so the scouting report didn't fully access his defense prowess accurately, so I'm not sure why you'd use the scouting report to say this season is the norm. Not just that, just in general, scouting reports are proven wrong on quite a few dudes every single season.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:41 pm to shel311
I don't know how much longer Willie can justify having Herb start over Dyson. Dyson gives you 85% of what Herb does on defense but is an actual threat on the offensive side. He should move Herb to the bench where he and Jose and demolish reserve guards.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:43 pm to saints5021
I’m not sure I’ve seen Dyson be THAT much more of a threat than Herb on offense.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:48 pm to saints5021
quote:Problem is, he's hit a rookie wall and is not giving us anything offensively. It's not a long term worry, but he definitely isn't earning minutes on the offensive side of the ball right now. He's playing way too timid.
but is an actual threat on the offensive side.
Over the last 10 games, Dyson is averaging 15mpg and scoring 1.3ppg on 2.6 attempts per game. He's shooting 19% from the field.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:50 pm to MrJimBeam
quote:He did earlier in the season, but not as of late.
I’m not sure I’ve seen Dyson be THAT much more of a threat than Herb on offense.
Between Dyson hitting that wall and generally being a rookie I wouldn't expect to give that many postseason minutes, Herb's struggles, Graham's and Jose's struggles, we can easily open up 25mpg on a proven dude who can just knock down 3s.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:57 pm to shel311
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Dyson hitting that wall and generally being a rookie
He's so afraid to get met at the rim right now, that in Dallas he made a nice move to free himself for an open lane to the basket, but settled for a 5 ft floater that he clanked off the back iron.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:05 pm to saints5021
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I don't know how much longer Willie can justify having Herb start over Dyson. Dyson gives you 85% of what Herb does on defense but is an actual threat on the offensive side. He should move Herb to the bench where he and Jose and demolish reserve guards.
If scoring is for some reason your concern, then you should want to keep Herb in the starting lineup. That lineup when healthy, doesn't need help offensively. The second team would need help with scoring, that's part of the reason Herb has looked even worse these past couple of games because he needs scorers around him. It's almost a wash anyway when you consider how much Willie staggers the minutes. it's not like he's out there doing 5 man subs.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:18 pm to iwyLSUiwy
IMO Herb's offense has improved overall but the most important aspect has gone bad- shooting.
He's actually really good on breaks with that Euro step and he's a pretty good cutter.
He's actually really good on breaks with that Euro step and he's a pretty good cutter.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:21 pm to ghost2most
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He's actually really good on breaks with that Euro step and he's a pretty good cutter.
His body control at the rim isn't Zion-esque but it is really good.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:23 pm to Broski
Prob not the right thread for this, but is there any update about BI's status?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:17 pm to saints5021
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Dyson gives you 85% of what Herb does on defense but is an actual threat on the offensive side
How could you possibly have watched the Pelicans play the last few weeks and say this. It’s just absolutely false.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:27 pm to LSUgrad88
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Dyson gives you 85% of what Herb does on defense but is an actual threat on the offensive side
I'd worry about some of the folks around here...if I actually thought they were being serious. Lighten up 88, all is not as it sometimes appears
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:51 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I’m not as much bothered if people want to have an overly optimistic view of a particular player. But when it’s coupled with the need to denigrate another player, and it’s completely false, it tends to bother me a bit.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 7:34 pm to shel311
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How do you know that this season is the norm and last season is the outlier?
b/c he looks a lot more like he did at Bama, now than he did last year... he's returned to earth, bro... it's all good, he's still a decent-to-good player... just really shouldn't be starting, IMO, and apparently, i'm not the only one that feels that way...
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I'm not sure why you'd use the scouting report to say this season is the norm.
b/c the scouting on him said he's not really reliable on the offensive side, he wasn't ever a really prolific scorer at Bama, and that's what we are seeing with him now... the defensive part, yeah, we know about and for the most part, he's living up to that side of things...
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:54 pm to chRxis
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the defensive part, yeah, we know about and for the most part, he's living up to that side of things...
I think it’s safe to say he’s “living up to that.” So if we have a starting lineup that has BI, Zion, JV and CJ in it (which is what we’re hoping for), your theory is we need to sacrifice defense for more offense??
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:48 am to LSUgrad88
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I think it’s safe to say he’s “living up to that.” So if we have a starting lineup that has BI, Zion, JV and CJ in it (which is what we’re hoping for), your theory is we need to sacrifice defense for more offense??
In reality the only person who makes sense is Daniels. Supplemental playmaking and 90% Herbs defense.
That’s it.
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