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Hart and Redick
Posted on 2/26/20 at 6:01 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 6:01 am
6 points on 1-4 shooting between the 2.
In our previous 10 those two guys had been averaging 25 points on 45% shooting.
Redick had 0 shots in the box score.
In our previous 10 those two guys had been averaging 25 points on 45% shooting.
Redick had 0 shots in the box score.
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 6:17 am to CP3forMVP
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:10 am to msutiger
I’m not sure adjustments outside of Jrue not going rogue on offense would have helped much. The Lakers were frustratingly long and LeBron was asserting his dominance. It’s kind of crazy that better shot selection from Jrue probably keeps you in the game until the very end. The Pels hanging for the most part instead of getting beaten down was actually impressive.
Since the OP sounds like he didn’t get to watch, they were sending doubles at Redick all night and the Lakers were just so big you couldn’t pass out to take advantage of it.
Hart missed a couple of good looks from 3 at the end. They didn’t go in but are the kind of shots you’re ok with him taking.
People blaming coaching are really not giving enough credit to the Lakers. I’m not saying the game plan was perfect, but dreams of us doing anything in the first round besides losing in 5 or 6 got crushed pretty good last night.
Since the OP sounds like he didn’t get to watch, they were sending doubles at Redick all night and the Lakers were just so big you couldn’t pass out to take advantage of it.
Hart missed a couple of good looks from 3 at the end. They didn’t go in but are the kind of shots you’re ok with him taking.
People blaming coaching are really not giving enough credit to the Lakers. I’m not saying the game plan was perfect, but dreams of us doing anything in the first round besides losing in 5 or 6 got crushed pretty good last night.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 7:12 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:19 am to TigerinATL
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Since the OP sounds like he didn’t get to watch, they were sending doubles at Redick all night and the Lakers were just so big you couldn’t pass out to take advantage of it.
Hart missed a couple of good looks from 3 at the end. They didn’t go in but are the kind of shots you’re ok with him taking.
People blaming coaching are really not giving enough credit to the Lakers. I’m not saying the game plan was perfect, but dreams of us doing anything in the first round besides losing in 5 or 6 got crushed pretty good last night.
Great take. LAL were obviously concerned about letting JJ get clean looks. My only concern with that was imo they stuck with him a little too long. I think Hart and Moore should have got some of his mins (Hart bc of physicality and Moore bc of his ability to get his own shots).
I didn’t like Jahil playing at all in the 1st half when Favors picked up his 3rd. Not sure why Al felt the need to pull him. What were they really saving him for?
The non-goal tend call at the end of the 3rd was a 4pt swing that really hurt. Imo that was a pretty easy call.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 7:20 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:21 am to TigerinATL
Everything in this thread is correct. Though I feel like Jrue had multiple chances to pass the ball out for a good open shot. 19 shots, 9 assists and 4 turnovers shows Jrue is dominating the ball just way way too much. Good on him for 9 assists, but we have to find a way for him to take a step back.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:23 am to TigerinATL
While odds would say a 1 seed should dispatch an 8 seed in 5 or fewer games each and every year, I dont think that conclusion should be made off of thos one game. We all know basketball results can vary wildly between games.
Yes, if we meet in playoffs, it is unlikely we take many games. No, one game shouldnt make that the prediction. It was a season of games which makes LA the big favorites
Yes, if we meet in playoffs, it is unlikely we take many games. No, one game shouldnt make that the prediction. It was a season of games which makes LA the big favorites
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:44 am to TigerinATL
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Since the OP sounds like he didn’t get to watch,
Not sure how you got that out of my post.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 7:45 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:44 am to Jon1798
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19 shots, 9 assists and 4 turnovers shows Jrue is dominating the ball just way way too much.
Jrue and Lonzo got staggered a lot last night, more than usual I think, and I'm not sure why. But that put Jrue in the PG role a lot and the Lakers length was frustrating everybody, so passing the ball around like normal was dangerous.
To me the craziest thing about last night was the Lakers were bothering Zion pretty good too and he still ended up with 29 points on 18 shots. It's amazing that he can be that efficient even against a Top 4 defense that appears to be slowing him down some and making everything hard for him.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:50 am to CP3forMVP
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Not sure how you got that out of my post.
Because you were citing the box score and game stats about a game that didn't start until after 9pm.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:56 am to CP3forMVP
JJ doesn’t play much when the other team has freak athletes on the perimeter.
See the Rockets game as a comparison when Westbrook and Harden are on the floor most of the game.
Hart is what he is - we want him to be a knockdown shooter but he’s more of a Jack-of-all trades. If he’s not shooting well he looks inadequate.
See the Rockets game as a comparison when Westbrook and Harden are on the floor most of the game.
Hart is what he is - we want him to be a knockdown shooter but he’s more of a Jack-of-all trades. If he’s not shooting well he looks inadequate.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:57 am to TigerinATL
I still think people are a little off base on the Jrue hate from last night. He wasn't efficient offensively, but he was the only starter with a positive +/- for the night.
We were absolutely killed when Hart and Etwaun were out there as Hart finished at -16 and Moore finished at -13 in 4 minutes. The call to put Okafor in was obviously the worst of the evening as that stretch allowed LAL to stretch the lead back out before half.
JJ had the best +/- on the night at +12 so the gravity he created was obviously helpful as he didn't take a shot last night to contribute any direct help.
We were absolutely killed when Hart and Etwaun were out there as Hart finished at -16 and Moore finished at -13 in 4 minutes. The call to put Okafor in was obviously the worst of the evening as that stretch allowed LAL to stretch the lead back out before half.
JJ had the best +/- on the night at +12 so the gravity he created was obviously helpful as he didn't take a shot last night to contribute any direct help.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:59 am to TigerinATL
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Because you were citing the box score and game stats about a game that didn't start until after 9pm.
Oh I got you, no I watched the game. I was just stating that there's no excuse for those two guys only taking 4 shots.
Take Redick for example. 14 year career, Friday night will be his 1000th career game (pretty cool), but last night was the first time in his career that he did not record a single shot, aside from games early in his career when he'd only play a minute here and there in blow outs. 14 years and that was the first time.
It's just inexcusable. I get the Lakers were taking him away, I get they're long and athletic, but that's far from the first time JJ Redick has faced a team that's long and athletic, and it's certainly not the first time he faced a team that was trying to take his 3pt shot away.
As a team and as a coaching staff, you just have to figure it out. It's a failure on all levels. Of course that's far from the only thing the team could have done better last night, but 1000 games stands out.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 8:49 am to CP3forMVP
We didn't do a good job of moving the ball last night.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:00 am to ThePistol
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I still think people are a little off base on the Jrue hate from last night.
I think criticism of his offense last night is very fair. He was playing hero/heat check ball and acting like he was feeling it when he clearly wasn't. I know the Lakers were taking away passing lanes, but he should have been much less aggressive and played within the flow of the game. Zion and Ingram should be the only players with the green light to force the action on offense.
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JJ had the best +/- on the night at +12 so the gravity he created was obviously helpful as he didn't take a shot last night to contribute any direct help.
I don't think you can make that assumption. The Pels typically made runs when LeBron sat, I would bet JJ wasn't on the court much while LeBron was in and that would explain his +/-.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:04 am to STEVED00
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I didn’t like Jahil playing at all in the 1st half when Favors picked up his 3rd.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:08 am to CP3forMVP
I don’t know man. That is hard money they played really aggressive on Reddick in not wanting him to take a shot. Not really sure what you can do aside from trying to capitalize on other players to loosen up the defense but he was smothered every time he touched it.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:09 am to CP3forMVP
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Pels lost last night because of two stretches: the shaky start and the end stretch in the fourth. Both sequences had all three of Ingram/Zion/Favors on the court. They're too easy for the Lakers to defend with those three out there. I'd expect a ton of Melli in a playoff series.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
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Zion and Ingram should be the only players with the green light to force the action on offense.
I agree that Zion and Ingram should be the "primary" scorers. However, I just can't agree with Jrue shouldn't have the green light to initiate and be a primary offensive weapon.
In our last 5 games, before last night, which we were 4-1, Jrue was averaging 20.8 points on 51% fg and 48% 3pfg, 11 assists, and 3.4 turnovers. He was the main offensive catalyst in two of our four wins.
If there is anything to fault him on last night, it was missing the layup on the baseline, missing the open 3 when we were up 3, and not getting a goaltending call. He was not without other faults last night but until BI can be more consistent as a playmaker and an initiator, Jrue has to be the third main cog on offense. He had also just had his best stretch of the season.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:37 am to ThePistol
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I just can't agree with Jrue shouldn't have the green light to initiate and be a primary offensive weapon.
On a normal night sure, but he wasn't playing like he normally plays. I don't know if it was because it was in Los Angeles, or because it was the Lakers, but he was pressing. That's why he's getting criticism. To be fair I didn't mind the missed layups even though he was pressing, but he had several early in the shot clock 3s that he shouldn't have taken.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:51 am to CP3forMVP
The actions they run with Redick are limited and predictable. We get by on it because Redick is amazing at getting of his shots in tight spaces. We really do need to get more varied with his actions to get him better looks. Against athletic teams, they’re able to sag off, help, and still recover as Ball/Hart isn’t enough of a threat to burn them for sagging off and Holiday didn’t handle AD/Howard very well to keep them off balance.
It’s disturbing to see Zion put up 29 and got to the line all night along with Ingram’s 34 and it still wasn’t enough. This team needs to figure it out. When you have 2 guys who put up 30 points steadily through out the game and got to the line pretty well, we should not be losing 3 out of the 4 quarters but we did.
It’s disturbing to see Zion put up 29 and got to the line all night along with Ingram’s 34 and it still wasn’t enough. This team needs to figure it out. When you have 2 guys who put up 30 points steadily through out the game and got to the line pretty well, we should not be losing 3 out of the 4 quarters but we did.
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