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re: Griffin has “officially” started a bidding war for Davis
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:04 am to NOFOX
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:04 am to NOFOX
I agree my example is not perfect, as most of us don't get "traded" from one job to another, which makes the whole thing more nuanced.
Countering some of the points:
(1) I am assuming that if he is willing to forgo an additional ~$80M dollars to leave NOLA to go where he wants, he isn't going to balk at $2M more
(2) This is true, but if it's in a destination he likes, and he was planning on signing a 1+1 in the year after anyway to get to 10 years of service before signing max, which seems to be a common theme among stars the opt in is sort of a wash, though obviously would not have "security" of that 1 extra option year
(3) Yes it does give leverage to pels, but that is part of the trade off of getting to leave early for a new dream job/destination
(4) Obviously all of the opt in is predicated on AD's "dream" not being solely Lakers, but rather one of the New York, Boston, LA teams as opposed to say Phoenix, Toronto, Sixers, etc. Or more "city" than "team" driven.
As to Griffin not hurting Company to spite AD, I agree Griffin wouldn't do that. The "opt in" scenario assumes that the "Best" offer would come from a team in a City on AD's list that wouldn't otherwise materialize without the opt in. Say, the Clippers won't offer the Miami Pick with all the young players w/out the opt in. I'd still expect Griff to take the "best" offer on table regardless of opt in or not.
Countering some of the points:
(1) I am assuming that if he is willing to forgo an additional ~$80M dollars to leave NOLA to go where he wants, he isn't going to balk at $2M more
(2) This is true, but if it's in a destination he likes, and he was planning on signing a 1+1 in the year after anyway to get to 10 years of service before signing max, which seems to be a common theme among stars the opt in is sort of a wash, though obviously would not have "security" of that 1 extra option year
(3) Yes it does give leverage to pels, but that is part of the trade off of getting to leave early for a new dream job/destination
(4) Obviously all of the opt in is predicated on AD's "dream" not being solely Lakers, but rather one of the New York, Boston, LA teams as opposed to say Phoenix, Toronto, Sixers, etc. Or more "city" than "team" driven.
As to Griffin not hurting Company to spite AD, I agree Griffin wouldn't do that. The "opt in" scenario assumes that the "Best" offer would come from a team in a City on AD's list that wouldn't otherwise materialize without the opt in. Say, the Clippers won't offer the Miami Pick with all the young players w/out the opt in. I'd still expect Griff to take the "best" offer on table regardless of opt in or not.
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Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:05 am to TigerinATL
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We’re looking for meaning in an allegedly slow process, but maybe there is no deeper meaning. Griffin already knows what the offers are, maybe he’s just waiting to see who blinks.
I think another very simple explanation is that he's not sharing sensitive trade negotiation information with everyone in the organization. Maybe he is slowplaying and waiting for a bidding frenzy to come to him or maybe the process has already begun, but they are keeping it close to the vest.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:06 am to TigerinATL
Correct. It’s a negotiation strategy that does work sometimes.
Make them all sweat and sit. Everyone. AD, Klutch, the other teams. So who calls you.
At the last minute call and say “here’s the deal, you have today to decide.”
Make them all sweat and sit. Everyone. AD, Klutch, the other teams. So who calls you.
At the last minute call and say “here’s the deal, you have today to decide.”
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:07 am to NOFOX
That’s another one. It’s possible that it doesn’t leave the confines of Griffin and Langdon and he’s got other teams to agree to keep it extremely tight lid on it or they are out.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:11 am to NOFOX
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How can AD make up the $$$? If he opts-in, he loses $2.4M and he has to play 2020 on an expiring. Do you really think he is going to do that so that he can be traded to the Clippers or Nets for 2 years instead of playing in Boston for 6 months?
Griffin thinks it's a possibility. And yes, he and Rich Paul might very well think he can make up the money off the court.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:12 am to pjk481
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Say, the Clippers won't offer the Miami Pick with all the young players w/out the opt in.
Why? If I am AD's agent and I want him to go to the Clippers, but they are reluctant to put up the Miami pick, then I leak and back-channel to let them know that AD will re-sign.
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As to Griffin not hurting Company to spite AD, I agree Griffin wouldn't do that. The "opt in" scenario assumes that the "Best" offer would come from a team in a City on AD's list that wouldn't otherwise materialize without the opt in. Say, the Clippers won't offer the Miami Pick with all the young players w/out the opt in. I'd still expect Griff to take the "best" offer on table regardless of opt in or not.
This entire opt-in constrcut relies on the assumption that AD has no influence on the offers and that he has equal grades on all 4 NY/LA destinations. Neither of those are true.
AD can influence what teams will offer for him in both a positive and negative way. Also AD's main goal is to play for the Lakers.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:15 am to Jwho77
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Griffin thinks it's a possibility. And yes, he and Rich Paul might very well think he can make up the money off the court.
You spoke to David this morning? Does Rich Paul really seem like a guy who is going to give up leverage and money to avoid Boston for 6 months?
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:15 am to NOFOX
Glad to see you have all the answers.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:17 am to NOFOX
You also have to consider that AD might not know exactly which team he wants to be playing for in 2 years. He may not be ready to commit to ANY team (even the Lakers) that he will resign. That's the other side of the coin. He may not be willing to tell any team, back channel or otherwise, that he is willing to sign the full 4 or 5 year extension.
Lakers are in disarray, and Lebron is aging. Maybe AD isn't willing to commit to signing extension with any of them TODAY.
But those teams are all in cities he wants to be in, and some may be more willing to "take their shot" and convince him to re-sign if they have 2 years to convince him.
Lakers are in disarray, and Lebron is aging. Maybe AD isn't willing to commit to signing extension with any of them TODAY.
But those teams are all in cities he wants to be in, and some may be more willing to "take their shot" and convince him to re-sign if they have 2 years to convince him.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:21 am to Jwho77
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Glad to see you have all the answers.
It's just a basic knowledge of the people involved, the history, and logic.
The opt-in is a nice fantasy, but nothing in AD/Klutch's actions over the past 6 months suggest that they will do anything to help us or give up leverage unless it involves us sending AD to the Lakers.
Put yourself in AD's position and mindset, then think if an opt-in actually makes sense versus using your leverage to manipulate the offers.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:22 am to NOFOX
I just unfollowed Shams and Woj. Just need to check your posts now. 
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:23 am to pjk481
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That's the other side of the coin. He may not be willing to tell any team, back channel or otherwise, that he is willing to sign the full 4 or 5 year extension.
He doesn't have to do that though. Instead of opting-in and giving up security and money, he can tell them that he will sign a 1+1 to get to his 10 year max and make it public.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:23 am to Jwho77
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I just unfollowed Woj.
i gots you covered brosephasaurus.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:24 am to Chad504boy
But I still follow Morstead. Can we still be TD friends? 
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:24 am to Jwho77
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I just unfollowed Shams and Woj. Just need to check your posts now
Oh, Shams and Woj were reporting that AD was considering an opt-in or that Griffin was seeking him to do so?
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:25 am to Jwho77
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But I still follow Morstead. Can we still be TD friends?
you follow morestead; morestead follows me; we're essentially eskimo brothers.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:26 am to Chad504boy
Nice. You can crash at my igloo whenevs.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:28 am to NOFOX
Again, assuming he knows and is willing to COMMIT today that he will do that for the team AND the team being willing to trust he will honor that commitment, which he'd have no binding reason to do so. That team would have to give up all the assets they (hypothetically) were not willing to give up without the optin solely due to believing that no matter what happens next year, AD will sign the 1+1 with them.
Security goes both ways. The trading team would like the security of 2 seasons (or at least 1.5 seasons) to convince him to sign at the 10 year mark.
Obviously there are tons of variables and cards both sides can play. This opt in is just one of those.
Security goes both ways. The trading team would like the security of 2 seasons (or at least 1.5 seasons) to convince him to sign at the 10 year mark.
Obviously there are tons of variables and cards both sides can play. This opt in is just one of those.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:34 am to pjk481
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Again, assuming he knows and is willing to COMMIT today that he will do that
This is a discussion of AD's alternative to opting-in. I assume if he was going to opt-in to get moved to this place that he is also willing to agree publicly to sign a 1+1 to get moved to this place.
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That team would have to give up all the assets they (hypothetically) were not willing to give up without the optin solely due to believing that no matter what happens next year, AD will sign the 1+1 with them.
A public anouncement that he will sign the 1+1 and an agent promise that he will do so is not enough to convince them? Agents run this league. Not a great way to start a relationship with your new superstar: "We don't trust you so please take a $2.4M haircut to make us feel better, welcome to the Clippers"
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This opt in is just one of those
I will let it go, I just strongly believe that it is not a realistic option whatsoever from AD's camp's perspective.
This post was edited on 5/31/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:41 am to NOFOX
I’m with you 100%. I think the opt in is extremely far from reality.
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