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re: Griff: BI is "mechanically incapable" of being traded under the new CBA rules
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:18 am to brmark70816
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:18 am to brmark70816
Current ownership just locked in the team to the tax for the next few years and are trying to sell.
I think the idea is for a sucker who doesn’t know the CBA to buy and overpay before they get taxed into oblivion and have picks at the end of the first in perpetuity.
I think the idea is for a sucker who doesn’t know the CBA to buy and overpay before they get taxed into oblivion and have picks at the end of the first in perpetuity.
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:19 am to brmark70816
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Brown was just the Finals MVP. He is a max player. He would be the top guy on a dozen teams (including ours)
and that team wouldn't win shite if Jaylen Brown was the best player on that team.
He's a really good player, and i love his game, but if he's your #1 option, you're probably a play-in team.
It takes a special player to be the #1 option and be the main reason you're team is a sure fire playoff team. That's an MVP level type player. Jaylen Brown isn't in that category. And i do think Jaylen Brown deserves a max.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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and that team wouldn't win shite if Jaylen Brown was the best player on that team. He's a really good player, and i love his game, but if he's your #1 option, you're probably a play-in team. It takes a special player to be the #1 option and be the main reason you're team is a sure fire playoff team. That's an MVP level type player. Jaylen Brown isn't in that category. And i do think Jaylen Brown deserves a max.
You’re really underestimating how good Jaylen Brown is. In totality he clearly played better than Tatum in the playoffs. He literally was not just Finals MVP but their playoff MVP.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Last year? Maybe
This year? No
If they put Brown on the market, they would get a ton. I know that the Hawks would empty the bank for him. 3 1sts, some swaps, some young players, and they have the contracts to match money easily. The Hawks' fans want Brown and Edwards back home badly. It would be a huge boon for the franchise.
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He's in the same boat as BI. Better player but much more expensive than BI would be on his max, so that evens out
No way. Brown is a star. Casual fans know him. His is a perennial Allstar and was even all NBA. Way better defender too. Plus he is the leadership of the players union. They are different tiers for sure..
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:04 am to brmark70816
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No way. Brown is a star. Casual fans know him. His is a perennial Allstar and was even all NBA. Way better defender too. Plus he is the leadership of the players union. They are different tiers for sure..
Yeah look if Brown was the same tier as BI- Griffin would have paid him what he wants. Even Griff doesn’t believe they’re in the same tier.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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and that team wouldn't win shite if Jaylen Brown was the best player on that team.
He's a really good player, and i love his game, but if he's your #1 option, you're probably a play-in team.
Correct. He's good, but he's also flawed and is carried by his overall team.
That's why I said he's like a scaled version of BI. Better player but more expensive accordingly.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:08 am to brmark70816
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No way. Brown is a star. Casual fans know him. His is a perennial Allstar and was even all NBA.
As I said, he's much more expensive that BI will be on his max, too.
You completely ignored that.
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They are different tiers for sure..
And their salaries will be different tiers, too.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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You completely ignored that
I don't think it matters. He's a max guy and teams want him. I thought that's what we are debating. He either has value or not.
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And their salaries will be different tiers, too.
They have to be. Brown hit benchmarks that elevated his contract. Ingram has not.
I'm really not sure what you are trying to point out. Ingram is on the block. They say they are getting very little interest. If you put Brown on the block, would there be the same level of interest?
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:01 am to Pels_Yaz
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You’re really underestimating how good Jaylen Brown is
Is that what I did when I said "And I do think Jaylen Brown deserves a max". That coming from a guy who's happy we aren't giving BI a max and hope that trend continues in the nba.
try to comprehend what i'm saying and not just read the first sentence and disagree automatically.
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In totality he clearly played better than Tatum in the playoffs. He literally was not just Finals MVP but their playoff MVP.
I would agree he did play better than Tatum more often than not. That happens a lot in the playoffs where a #2 guy plays as good or better than the #1 guy. It's b/c the #1 guy is the focal point of the defense and gives the #2 guy a slightly better chance at excelling.
Tatum gets all the defenses attention, which makes everyone elses job just a tad bit easier. It's also a lot more beneficial on the Celtics team where Tatum takes the opposing teams best perimeter defender, leaving Brown with the next best guy. On our team, Zion isn't taking the opposing teams best perimeter defender even when he plays more often than not. But he's still taking a really good defender off of CJ and Herb and Trey, and BI is also doing the same b/c he typically gets the best perimeter defender. Now we've got the 3rd best defender out there on CJ, which is why CJ had such a great year this past year. You remove Zion and then BI is the main focus, and CJ the second focus, hence you get the OKC series. Both Jrue and Derrick White were more efficient in the playoffs than the regular season, while Tatum was a good bit less efficient. Jaylen was more efficient as well. That's normal.
Remove Tatum from the lineup and Brown becomes the focal point of the defense. B/c i think he's better than BI, he wouldn't struggle like BI did against OKC, but he'd be less efficient as the focal point of the defense, and his role players would struggle a bit more as well.
What makes Jaylen Brown a max player is he's a really good #2 offensive option, but he's also an elite perimeter defender. He should have made an All-Defense team by now.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:09 am to TeddyPadillac
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That coming from a guy who's happy we aren't giving BI a max and hope that trend continues in the nba. try to comprehend what i'm saying and not just read the first sentence and disagree automatically.
I’m not. I never stated I want that trend to continue. What are you talking about? I’ve never stated that once ever- you need to relax and stop confusing me for other posters arguing with you.
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That happens a lot in the playoffs where a #2 guy plays as good or better than the #1 guy. It's b/c the #1 guy is the focal point of the defense and gives the #2 guy a slightly better chance at excelling.
It doesn’t happen the entirety of the playoffs like happened with the celtics. Brown was clearly the better player the whole playoff run. Thats usually not normal for a #2.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:13 am to Pels_Yaz
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I’m not. I never stated I want that trend to continue. What are you talking about? I’ve never stated that once ever- you need to relax and stop confusing me for other posters arguing with you.
I"m the guy. not you.
I"m the guy that wants the nba to stop handing out max contracts to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
I think a lot of the issues we have are from 2 reasons. I'm not a writer, and dont' always portray exactly what i'm trying to say, and you suck at reading comprehension.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think a lot of the issues we have are from 2 reasons. I'm not a writer, and dont' always portray exactly what i'm trying to say, and you suck at reading comprehension.
If you can’t properly write what you’re trying to say- you can’t blame someone for sucking at reading comprehension in regards to your posts.
Im not trying to make this personal. You have good points on certain issues. I just don’t agree with you on certain things.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:26 am to Pels_Yaz
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If you can’t properly write what you’re trying to say- you can’t blame someone for sucking at reading comprehension in regards to your posts.
I am 100% blaming you for thinking i was talking about you when i said this:
Is that what I did when I said "And I do think Jaylen Brown deserves a max". That coming from a guy who's happy we aren't giving BI a max and hope that trend continues in the nba.
Notice how I said "when I said", key word being "I". Then followed it up with "That coming from a guy", and you somehow thought that guy was you.
See you have this thought that I love BI and think i'm always defending him, so it didn't even cross your mind that I would say I'm the one who's happy we aren't giving BI a max.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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See you have this thought that I love BI and think i'm always defending him, so it didn't even cross your mind that I would say I'm the one who's happy we aren't giving BI a max.
I don’t think that. You “think” I have some BI bias towards you. You’re not galactic.
This is a discussion board and you’re getting agitated I’m disagreeing with you OR you’re upset I don’t understand your point even when you stated I don’t do a great job in writing what I intend to say.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:26 am to brmark70816
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If you put Brown on the block, would there be the same level of interest?
At his salary and his output, I think it would be similar.
He's better than BI, but not worth his salary in the current (over?) reaction to the new CBA.
If Green were at BI's max deal, he'd have a huge market.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:28 am to TeddyPadillac
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I"m the guy that wants the nba to stop handing out max contracts to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
The problem is there shouldn't be max contracts.
They underpay the elite severely. That excess money is going to flow to the next tier or 2.
Max does not mean elite, b/c max doesn't reflect the true value of an elite player.
If these max salaries weren't flowing to guys like BI (historically, not at this present overreaction/adjustment period), then you'll have good role players making $25M/year+
I think everyone prefers that money flow to the better players
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:39 am to Pels_Yaz
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I don’t think that. You “think” I have some BI bias towards you. You’re not galactic.
The boy is obsessed with me.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:45 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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The boy is obsessed with me.
I’m sure Brandon Ingram is thinking the same thing.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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At his salary and his output, I think it would be similar.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
IMO, if Brown demanded a trade and Celtics dangled him, there would be a bidding war, even with that contract.
Ingram has been dangled for a few months and there are no decent offers. That is the difference I'm talking about. So I don't see how they have remotely similar value, regardless of the contract..
Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:47 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I’m sure Brandon Ingram is thinking the same thing.
You certainly are obsessing over him.
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