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re: Griff: BI is "mechanically incapable" of being traded under the new CBA rules
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
I don’t think they wanted him, but it woujd have worked out so much better for us if we were able to do the Murray/Capela for Ingram/Nance.
Would have much preferred to keep Dyson and that Lakers pic. I know alot on here were excited b/c we got Murray without using Ingram. Looking like Its going to backfire on Griff.
I wonder if it was an option and he thought he could pull more from trading BI separately. Woukd be just another example of him not reading the market and screwing up our roster.
Would have much preferred to keep Dyson and that Lakers pic. I know alot on here were excited b/c we got Murray without using Ingram. Looking like Its going to backfire on Griff.
I wonder if it was an option and he thought he could pull more from trading BI separately. Woukd be just another example of him not reading the market and screwing up our roster.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:23 pm
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:18 pm to NOSHAU
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Not why they let PG go. They did not want to guarantee a 4th year because of his age.
They didn't take anything back b/c of the new CBA.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:19 pm to Townedrunkard
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I wonder if it was an option and he thought he could pull more from trading BI separately. Woukd be just another example of him not reading the market and screwing up our roster.
All of the reporting that I've seen on it was that the Hawks didn't want BI.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They didn't take anything back b/c of the new CBA.
They blamed it on the new CBA, but they offered him the same deal as Kawhi, which would've put them into the second apron anyway. Their explanation didn't make much sense.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:21 pm to Townedrunkard
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I know alot on here were excited b/c we got Murray without using Ingram.Its going to backfire.
Backfire? How?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:24 pm to Epic Cajun
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All of the reporting that I've seen on it was that the Hawks didn't want BI.
I don’t see why, they have to try to win and can’t tank. They stuck with Trae and BI fits way better with Trae than Murray. If I was their gm, I’d had made that trade for BI instead of what we gave them. Having another scorer along with Trae would work out better. Then go get a guy like Dillion Brooks to play the 2 or another defensive 3 and D.
And they had reports recently that they were interested in him along with the Spurs.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Backfire? How?
If he walks after the season, you’d rather a season of BI or Dyson and our two firsts back if we had made that trade if available?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:29 pm to Townedrunkard
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If he walks after the season, you’d rather a season of BI or Dyson and our two firsts back if we had made that trade if available?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:34 pm to Fun Bunch
I give Griffin a little bit of a pass on this one. Under the last CBA, with no second apron, I think BI would have a nice market right now. I don't really understand why the players accepted the specifics of this CBA. The second apron is so prohibitive that it nearly creates a hard cap. Literally zero teams want to pay BI big money, Brunson took tens of millions less, reports say that Bridges will also take a discount, LeBron allegedly would have taken a (small) discount if the Lakers could get a difference maker with the MLE. All to duck the second apron. I know the players will still get their 50% of BRI and the money won't change at the end of the day, but player valuations seem weirdly nonlinear and a little random right now, and I wonder if the union regrets agreeing to this.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:35 pm to Townedrunkard
I've said this prior, but BI to Hawks wasn't a BI issue. It's a Trae, Murray, Capella, Bogdan, Hunter, OO, #1 pick etc issue. They are way too expensive.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:35 pm to Townedrunkard
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If he walks after the season,
That's not backfiring
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you’d rather a season of BI or Dyson and our two firsts back if we had made that trade if available?
You're arguing this from the position of a future hindsight bias.
BI still exists and still has value. If the CBA impact is real and not an overreaction, then we can still re-sign him (at the lower, market rate). If the CBA impact is a gross overreaction in the immediate, then we can deal him at the deadline or sign/trade him (at a higher amount than the alternative).
The only way the trade can "backfire" logically is if Dyson really is that superstar that even true believers don't claim him to project to be.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:36 pm to NOFOX
the other 29 teams also do not want to give BI a 30% max, but he is blaming it on the new CBA becuase that's en vogue at the moment for exe
No, he is actually right.
The new cba hit at the exact worst time possible.
No, he is actually right.
The new cba hit at the exact worst time possible.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:37 pm to greewe
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Under the last CBA, with no second apron, I think BI would have a nice market right now
Correct, and the (over?) reaction to the new CBA has come on immediately and swiftly with no real warning. The big dogs are waiving their hands and it's rippling through the league.
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don't really understand why the players accepted the specifics of this CBA. The second apron is so prohibitive that it nearly creates a hard cap.
The players get the same amount of money regardless. It's just a matter of who gets the money.
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but player valuations seem weirdly nonlinear and a little random right now, and I wonder if the union regrets agreeing to this.
I think a lot of this is an overreaction b/c the only population of players that could theoretically benefit (given the same amount paid out to all players) is the lower/middle section. When teams look at that reality, they'll start to shift more money back to good/great players.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The players get the same amount of money regardless. It's just a matter of who gets the money.
I'm aware of that. But the union has never liked players taking discounts, even with the money pool remaining the same no matter what.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The only way the trade can "backfire" logically is if Dyson really is that superstar that even true believers don't claim him to project to be.
Or LeBitch and/or ADBitch get hurt and the Lakers suck and end up with a top 10 pick and possibly win a top 4 pick and we don't get that pick next year b/c we didn't put any protections on that pick.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:47 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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if available?
If you were the Hawks gm, you wouldn’t make that trade? Your future pics are going to SA so you can’t tank. No one wanted to give up close to what they were asking for Trae so they stuck with him. I think everyone would agree they’d take BI as a secondary scorer instead of Dyson starting. They pretty much running it back minus their second best player. .
It’s far more plausible, Griff didn’t want to include BI in the trade.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
Look, even with the cap expecting to go way up, the Clippers let George go, Denver let KCP walk, Lakers and Warriors sat on their hands, etc etc. it would be naive not to think this is a very different landscape currently.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Or LeBitch and/or ADBitch get hurt and the Lakers suck and end up with a top 10 pick a
That would be hindsight bias.
That pick being anything better than late lottery is extremely unlikely. You judge the deal based on the %s at the time it's made.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:50 pm to greewe
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But the union has never liked players taking discounts, even with the money pool remaining the same no matter what.
That would mean that the lower/mid guys get more money.
Like I said, I think this is all just an overreaction and it will even out. Maybe fewer guys get the max, but as long as the max contract undervalues the truly elite, lots of non-elite guys will deserve the max. That's why it's been given out so often once established.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The only way the trade can "backfire" logically is if Dyson really is that superstar that even true believers don't claim him to project to be.
I think he can definitely turn into an Herb level player. And don’t discount the Lakers pick. This draft will be much better. The wheels are going to fall off sooner or later.
And it’s not hindsight, but Griff shoujd have known BIs value before. He overestimated b/c some teams had interest like the Kings but pivoted when Griff played hardball for a better offer. Now he’s stuck and will have to hope he can move him at the deadline.
Saw this same exact movie play out with Ball….
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:53 pm
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