- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Genuine Questions for the Board
Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:22 pm
1) how much do you think trading Lonzo will help this team in the short term and long term?
2) how will firing Gentry will help in the short and long term?
If you’re going to claim it that you need a good enough reason. Let’s hear it
2) how will firing Gentry will help in the short and long term?
If you’re going to claim it that you need a good enough reason. Let’s hear it
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 5:26 pm
7
Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:23 pm to DeionDeion
(no message)
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:28 pm to DeionDeion
How will keeping Gentry help in short term/long term
Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:49 pm to Macintosh504
I've laid out my points numerous times in previous posts. if you want to go back into my post history go right ahead.
the whole reason I ask these questions is because it seems to me that firing Gentry and/or trading Lonzo and whoever else, is the magic bullet that apparently fixes everything. & of course, there is so much evaluation that needs to take place before you consider the next coach or the PG of the future. I want to see if posters can actually make a good argument for these changes and who/what you are looking for to replace Gentry. Lonzo, etc.
it's very easy & very lazy to start a "fire Gentry" thread or "trade Lonzo" thread, and I'm wondering if we can actually get good dialogue here. What does you not like about Gentry's offense? About his personality? How he rotates players? etc etc.
the whole reason I ask these questions is because it seems to me that firing Gentry and/or trading Lonzo and whoever else, is the magic bullet that apparently fixes everything. & of course, there is so much evaluation that needs to take place before you consider the next coach or the PG of the future. I want to see if posters can actually make a good argument for these changes and who/what you are looking for to replace Gentry. Lonzo, etc.
it's very easy & very lazy to start a "fire Gentry" thread or "trade Lonzo" thread, and I'm wondering if we can actually get good dialogue here. What does you not like about Gentry's offense? About his personality? How he rotates players? etc etc.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:53 pm to DeionDeion
The answer to both questions depends on the priority we put on winning this season. If we accept that player development is the main goal this season, and if we accept that we aren't making the playoffs, then we don't need to trade Lonzo or fire Gentry right now.
Lonzo Ball is a crummy PG right now, but he still has a lot of potential. If the real goal is to develop players for a championship run in two or three years, then Lonzo is a worthwhile project.
Likewise, if our primary goal is to develop players, then I think our staff is doing a good job. The growth that we have seen in Jaxson Hayes has been impressive. Brandon Ingram is not a finished product either, and he seems to be taking direction well. The ESPN story from today on how we're remaking Lonzo's shot is instructive here as well. So, if the primary goal right now is not winning, there's no reason to fire Gentry right now.
Lonzo Ball is a crummy PG right now, but he still has a lot of potential. If the real goal is to develop players for a championship run in two or three years, then Lonzo is a worthwhile project.
Likewise, if our primary goal is to develop players, then I think our staff is doing a good job. The growth that we have seen in Jaxson Hayes has been impressive. Brandon Ingram is not a finished product either, and he seems to be taking direction well. The ESPN story from today on how we're remaking Lonzo's shot is instructive here as well. So, if the primary goal right now is not winning, there's no reason to fire Gentry right now.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:30 pm to DeionDeion
quote:
If you’re going to claim it that you need a good enough reason. Let’s hear it
quote:
I've laid out my points numerous times in previous posts. if you want to go back into my post history go right ahead
So you think they should give a reason but expect them to go search your post history for yours? That is lazy.
I haven’t watched enough games to determine an opinion yet myself. But why should they answer when you won’t?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:54 pm to Soup Sammich
quote:
So you think they should give a reason but expect them to go search your post history for yours? That is lazy.
I haven’t watched enough games to determine an opinion yet myself. But why should they answer when you won’t?
Because I’m not advocating for Gentry to stay or for Lonzo to stay. But I have given reasons for my criticisms. Trust me I’d love to engage in a dialogue
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:01 pm to DeionDeion
Fans are grasping at straws. When people mention Gentry’s rotations, they rarely are specific.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
The answer to both questions depends on the priority we put on winning this season
Agreed. And I think it’s pretty difficult to argue that it’s about winning right now with all the recent turnover, injuries, and early on-court struggles.
Player development has the long game in mind. Which is not a normal path for this franchise, but a welcomed one
quote:
Lonzo Ball is a crummy PG right now, but he still has a lot of potential. If the real goal is to develop players for a championship run in two or three years, then Lonzo is a worthwhile project.
Again 100% agree. It’s obvious that he has struggled. But you’re also blind if you don’t see the talent he has.
I think his shooting has improved by his decision making needs major improvement. He also needs to use his speed to attack the defense.
Still haven’t figured out why his defense has been so poor.
quote:
there's no reason to fire Gentry right now.
I don’t see Gentry as the future coach of this team, but as we change the guard, Gentry is someone Griff trusts. And the positive qualities for Gentry include knowing how to communicate, command respect, and lead the younger kids.
This franchise needs a little stability. And that’s a big reason to keep Alvin. At least until the summer and until you can adequately scout the coach that will take the reigns for the beginngkng of Zions career
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:12 pm to VOR
Right VOR.
My attempt here is for us to be more specific. Talk about who they would pair with you given current injuries. Or balancing the fast-paced offense with Jeff’s new defense. Or that our lowest percentage of 3 pointers happen between 15-7 seconds in the game clock
My attempt here is for us to be more specific. Talk about who they would pair with you given current injuries. Or balancing the fast-paced offense with Jeff’s new defense. Or that our lowest percentage of 3 pointers happen between 15-7 seconds in the game clock
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:01 am to DeionDeion
quote:I think Gentry needs to go. However, doing it now really only makes sense if you feel that we have someone on the staff currently who needs to be evaluated in that role for the remainder of the season. If not, it does nothing. As far as Ball, I do not think trading him makes us better unless we get a haul (which we won't). I would rather see if he begins to get it or not as this is a developmental year for the team.
I've laid out my points numerous times in previous posts. if you want to go back into my post history go right ahead.
the whole reason I ask these questions is because it seems to me that firing Gentry and/or trading Lonzo and whoever else, is the magic bullet that apparently fixes everything. & of course, there is so much evaluation that needs to take place before you consider the next coach or the PG of the future. I want to see if posters can actually make a good argument for these changes and who/what you are looking for to replace Gentry. Lonzo, etc.
it's very easy & very lazy to start a "fire Gentry" thread or "trade Lonzo" thread, and I'm wondering if we can actually get good dialogue here. What does you not like about Gentry's offense? About his personality? How he rotates players? etc etc.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:22 am to DeionDeion
quote:
1) how much do you think trading Lonzo will help this team in the short term and long term?
Pretty obvious that we are better without him, as evident by his on/off stats as well as the fact that we are 4-4 without him.
Does trading help us win games now, probably not, but yes, getting rid of him well help both the short and long term assuming we get something decent in return, since some of you still see potential in him, hopefully someone else does too. I see a bench role player at best.
quote:
2) how will firing Gentry will help in the short and long term?
well he's a terrible coach and has been since he started coaching, so why would i want him teaching our young talent a certain way to play the game when his way has proven to not be successful anywhere he's been, except when he had a hall of fame multiple MVP PG? The sooner he's gone the better.
We started new with the GM, we started new with the training staff, we started new with the players. Time to start new with the coach.
I have no idea who we could hire at the moment, and i'm fine waiting until the end of the season to get the new hire in.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:38 am to DeionDeion
quote:
1) how much do you think trading Lonzo will help this team in the short term and long term?
Impossible to tell without knowing the pieces we get back.
quote:
2) how will firing Gentry will help in the short and long term?
Impossible to tell without knowing how replaces him.
Having said that neither one needs to be moved because Griffin is still building this team and both are still part of that.
What I hear from fans on this board is We need to tear the house down we're in the middle of building because most of the other houses in the neighborhood have better lawns than ours.
I get NOLA basketball fans are hungry for a winning product but those don't just materialize out of thin air. To me Griffin was perfectly clear about his vision and direction of this team and it did not involve knee jerk reactions and rotating parts every time we struggled. It involved changing the culture in NOLA and building something to last.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:00 am to DeionDeion
some pels-related comments from zach lowe's latest pod:
the point that they (the pels) are less than the sum of their parts right now is a good one
quote:
"Their (Pelicans) floor balance is so bad. That seems like a very easily coachable thing. I don't get it."@ZachLowe_NBA "It's less than a sum of its' parts. You look at the team against Detroit, playing at home, you think they should win by 15 points, right?"
quote:
"He (Brandon Ingram) is going to get the max. There's no doubt about that. Rarely do you give a player the max after never seeing them play a game - so I don't fault them for that." - @ZachLowe_NBA on not extending Ingram this summer
quote:
"When Brandon Ingram runs PnR and Zion comes back, I'm not really sure what he's (LB) doing. Lonzo Ball is instinctual, smart, but when you start to talk about what he does and doesn't do, he starts to sound like a good bench, player." - @ZachLowe_NBA
the point that they (the pels) are less than the sum of their parts right now is a good one
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:10 am to cgrand
Lowe went in on them pretty good there. But the apologists think we’re grasping straws.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 10:11 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:24 am to supe12sta12z
quote:
But the apologists think we’re grasping straws.
Isn't VOR the only real apologist left here?
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:49 am to DeionDeion
I rather not trade Lonzo just yet
Firing Gentry will allow Griffin and our front office to hire a coach who will maximize the players we have now. WE are not a shooting team, other than JJ, so why are we running a 7 second offense. I pray, beg, and hope we get a defensive minded HC and you will see Jrue, Zion, and possibly Lonzo/Ingram be on of the best defenders in the league.
With Gentry you are forcing everyone, except JJ, to play a type of game that doesn't benefit them. We need to make it our team goal/philosophy to keep teams under 100. I rather play post up basketball instead of running wild on offense, missing a shot, other team gets an easy basket.
Firing Gentry will allow Griffin and our front office to hire a coach who will maximize the players we have now. WE are not a shooting team, other than JJ, so why are we running a 7 second offense. I pray, beg, and hope we get a defensive minded HC and you will see Jrue, Zion, and possibly Lonzo/Ingram be on of the best defenders in the league.
With Gentry you are forcing everyone, except JJ, to play a type of game that doesn't benefit them. We need to make it our team goal/philosophy to keep teams under 100. I rather play post up basketball instead of running wild on offense, missing a shot, other team gets an easy basket.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 11:51 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 3:16 pm to Snipe
quote:
Impossible to tell without knowing the pieces we get back.
then let me help you. we won't get much back at all. he's been poor in Nola and he's due for a contract extension soon. what do you think the return would be?
quote:
Impossible to tell without knowing how replaces him.
which is kind of my exact point. if you try to replace him now, I'd say the chances of the new person being a lateral to negative move is about 3/4 probability. not to mention our bevy of young talent that will have to adjust to more changes on the fly. whereas you use this season of evaluation, see what kind of coach you want, scout the talent, and see if a replacement is worth it.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 3:22 pm to cgrand
quote:
"Their (Pelicans) floor balance is so bad. That seems like a very easily coachable thing. I don't get it."@ZachLowe_NBA "It's less than a sum of its' parts. You look at the team against Detroit, playing at home, you think they should win by 15 points, right?"
I think he hit the nail on the head. Floor spacing is horrendous on this team. But on top of that I believe that we are awful at setting screens and awful at off-ball movement.
I mean I've watched teams much less talented than us get wide open looks while BI & Jrue take contested shots every time on the offensive end.
Another thing I've noticed is that we play offense on the perimeter, only Jrue gets inside the 3 point line consistently. BI does a decent amount.
And while some of that is due to injury, I think a lot of that feels like coaching
Posted on 12/11/19 at 3:33 pm to DeionDeion
quote:
then let me help you. we won't get much back at all. he's been poor in Nola and he's due for a contract extension soon. what do you think the return would be?
Fultz looked like he couldn't play basketball anymore and the Sixers got Jonathon Simmons (just a filler), OKC's protected 2020 first, and the Cavs 2019 2nd. They used the Cavs 33rd pick and their own 24th pick to move up to 20 and get Thybulle, a 6'5" SG who's playing 17mpg for them and hitting 46% of his 3's.
Lonzo isn't that bad, and has shown some improvement at least with his shot. Fultz still can't shoot.
Granted he has no where near the value he did in the offseason, i still think you can get a first from a bottom playoff team like Orlando or Minnesota maybe, as long as you aren't taking anything back of importance from them. I'm really not interested in getting another draft pick though, as we are young enough already and have a bevy of early 2nd rounders to use as well as our own firsts.
I'd rather get a decent player in return for Lonzo, like Covington, or Aaron Gordon, but that would require us give up something extra probably.
The way the league is looking right now, it will be hard to move Lonzo and get something good in return.
It would be much easier to move Jrue or Redick or even Favors to a good team b/c DeRozan is the only FA worth a shite this offseason, so teams are looking to add talent now.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 3:34 pm
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News