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re: Fletch says he's hearing Theis will start
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:22 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:22 pm to TigerinATL
"The good news is we finally figured out we really need to pair Zion with shooters"
"Whats the bad news"
"We aren't going to start a single one of them"
"Whats the bad news"
"We aren't going to start a single one of them"
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:40 pm to Chad504boy
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bring bi's arse of the bench. keep trey's shooting with z and let cj and bi play hero ball off the bench.
I’ve said before BI should come off the bench as well. I actually like starting Murray-CJ-Herb-Zion-Trey because of the shooting it puts around Z.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:46 pm to lsusa
I don't want BI off the bench or in the starting lineup.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:25 pm to lsusa
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I actually like starting Murray-CJ-Herb-Zion-Trey because of the shooting it puts around Z.
You can't have Z or Trey guarding centers to start the game, at least against most teams. Good way to get them in early foul trouble.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 4:00 pm to Epic Cajun
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Zero chance that Herb comes off the bench.
If we don't make another move, it's almost a certainty.
I don't think he would care either. He's the only player on the time that I can't see crying about starts or minutes..
Posted on 9/17/24 at 4:30 pm to SEC Doctor
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You can't have Z or Trey guarding centers to start the game, at least against most teams. Good way to get them in early foul trouble.
I see that as a fair point, but this also means that the opposing team’s center has to guard them.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:42 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
"The good news is we finally figured out we really need to pair Zion with shooters"
"Whats the bad news"
"We aren't going to start a single one of them"
That's exactly why CJ is not coming off the bench.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:45 pm to lsusa
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I see that as a fair point, but this also means that the opposing team’s center has to guard them.
That's why I will want to get CJ and Theis off the floor quickly and go to the Murray, Herb, Trey, BI, Zion lineup.
It needs to happen by the 5:00 mark.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:07 pm to brmark70816
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don't think he would care either. He's the only player on the time that I can't see crying about starts or minutes..
I don’t care about feelings. The best fit has Herb on the floor in the starting lineup, caring about the feelings of a player that isn’t long for this team is stupid.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:59 pm to Epic Cajun
I think CJ will start because Griff does not want a $32M player sitting on the bench.
CJ is a major defensive liability with a small front court. Z and T can not erase CJ's defensive liabilities. CJ lacks size to defend most SG. He is being paid too much to be an open and shoot player which he excels.
The Pels bigs are too short!
Teams will shoot an insane fg% along with second chance rebounds against the Pels front court. This will offset Z's expected efficiency resulting in great individual stats resulting in minimal wins.
Opppnents won't build a wall or collapse around Z because they can pound the ball inside for easier baskets. The Pela guards have to minimize the ball from getting into the interior on defense. The best way to accomplish that is HERB!
CJ is a major defensive liability with a small front court. Z and T can not erase CJ's defensive liabilities. CJ lacks size to defend most SG. He is being paid too much to be an open and shoot player which he excels.
The Pels bigs are too short!
Teams will shoot an insane fg% along with second chance rebounds against the Pels front court. This will offset Z's expected efficiency resulting in great individual stats resulting in minimal wins.
Opppnents won't build a wall or collapse around Z because they can pound the ball inside for easier baskets. The Pela guards have to minimize the ball from getting into the interior on defense. The best way to accomplish that is HERB!
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:02 pm to Epic Cajun
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don’t care about feelings. The best fit has Herb on the floor in the starting lineup, caring about the feelings of a player that isn’t long for this team is stupid.
This is a lot of tough talk. McCollum is our best shooter. He's also our leader and captain. He's not being benched. He's the player most holding the group together. He's not going anywhere. We better hope not. Our team goes to crap once he leaves..
Posted on 9/18/24 at 12:33 am to TigerinATL
If we live in a universe where Karlo is a good player for us 20 minutes a night, the pelicans are going to be a problem (at least for those 20 minutes each night).
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:10 am to brmark70816
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This is a lot of tough talk. McCollum is our best shooter. He's also our leader and captain. He's not being benched. He's the player most holding the group together. He's not going anywhere. We better hope not. Our team goes to crap once he leaves..
Okay, then what's stopping us from starting:
Center
Zion
Herb
CJ
Murray
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:17 am to Epic Cajun
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Okay, then what's stopping us from starting:
Center
Zion
Herb
CJ
Murray
Well that's easy...
Brandon Ingram trade value??
I feel like fans want to bitch about Griffin getting bad returns but those same people want to legit bench BI... Only to bitch more when we get even less for benching him and minimizing his role. Thankfully y'all aren't in charge.
Same argument goes for CJ.
Trey and Herb will be here for the next 4+ years.
Y'all are really being dramatic about a 5-10 minute stretch to start games until BI/ CJ get traded.
Herb and Trey could end up playing 5 more minutes than BI regardless and y'all are losing your shite by the thought of anything else happening besides a specific starting lineup.
A basketball game is 48 minutes not 10.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 8:19 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:22 am to Dantheman504
I'm not saying Herb shouldn't start, Its just not necessary with the CURRENT team. Meaning a team that still has BI and CJ and just added Murray.
We need to see what works with BI/ CJ/ Murray to find out who to trade and who to keep. And to increase value or keep value up.
We can simply start:
Murray/ CJ/ BI/ Zion/ Theis
We should outscore teams and be able to put in Jose/ Herb to make sure the lead is kept.
If we somehow start struggling offensively in the first 5min then you replace BI with Herb.
Murray/ CJ/ Herb/ Zion/ Theis.
Its really that simple. BI starts and worse case scenario Herb comes in 5 minutes later.
We need to see what works with BI/ CJ/ Murray to find out who to trade and who to keep. And to increase value or keep value up.
We can simply start:
Murray/ CJ/ BI/ Zion/ Theis
We should outscore teams and be able to put in Jose/ Herb to make sure the lead is kept.
If we somehow start struggling offensively in the first 5min then you replace BI with Herb.
Murray/ CJ/ Herb/ Zion/ Theis.
Its really that simple. BI starts and worse case scenario Herb comes in 5 minutes later.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 8:34 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:38 am to Dantheman504
BI's trade value and market is based on salary.
30 NBA teams would have him in their starting lineup if he was on their roster.
We are the one team that can play him without worrying about any of that right now and y'all want to bench him.
That is an emotional reaction while still having that player on the team and available at the moment.
30 NBA teams would have him in their starting lineup if he was on their roster.
We are the one team that can play him without worrying about any of that right now and y'all want to bench him.
That is an emotional reaction while still having that player on the team and available at the moment.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 8:40 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:23 am to Dantheman504
quote:
Well that's easy...
Brandon Ingram trade value??
Not sure if you've been paying attention, but he doesn't have that to begin with
ETA: also, show me a single time where I've bitched about trade return, good luck in your search
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:38 am to Epic Cajun
You are right BI does not have great trade value right now. Mainly because teams don't like his play style with the price tag attached.
I feel like you are purposely ignoring the whole part where they don't want him because of the cost. BI would start on every team in NBA.
We aren't going to increase his value or get better by fricking benching him while he's still here.
At that point you just want to bench him > Trey/ Herb for personal preference.
(Which is fine, but atleast acknowledge the situation)
Once he's gone then yeah but while he's on the team and building tension you don't fricking sit the guy that you are trying to get a decent return for.
I mean this really shouldn't even be a conversation...
I feel like you are purposely ignoring the whole part where they don't want him because of the cost. BI would start on every team in NBA.
We aren't going to increase his value or get better by fricking benching him while he's still here.
At that point you just want to bench him > Trey/ Herb for personal preference.
(Which is fine, but atleast acknowledge the situation)
Once he's gone then yeah but while he's on the team and building tension you don't fricking sit the guy that you are trying to get a decent return for.
I mean this really shouldn't even be a conversation...
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:42 am to Epic Cajun
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ETA: also, show me a single time where I've bitched about trade return, good luck in your search
I said "fans" wasn't singling you out.
quote:
Y'all are really being dramatic about a 5-10 minute stretch to start games until BI/ CJ get traded.
This one was direct.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:45 am to Dantheman504
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I feel like you are purposely ignoring the whole part where they don't want him because of the cost. BI would start on every team in NBA.
His cost isn't going to change during the season. We might actually increase his trade value by playing him off of the bench because his future salary might decrease
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