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re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
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This is what a loser says. And they aren't better
https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/ZdEYD
Are you sped? Then look at wins and losses. Take the L and sit down…
DD is younger and better, much less the two first extra that it cost us. I get tired of taking idiots on here to school that question what I say. Same as Lauri M years ago.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 4:14 pm
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:14 pm to Townedrunkard
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Then look at wins and losses. Take the L and sit down…
Lmfao. You just dont get it. Dyson is an awful shooter, herb is hurt, yet is still a comparable player to dyson on defense and is still shooting 3s and fts better.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:25 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Lmfao. You just dont get it
I don’t think you get it. Theres a reason why u haven’t bumped this thread in weeks. Any casual fan knows. DD took over as the main play maker for Trae and they have done nothing but win.
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This is over for this year. Dyson is going to way outperform him. Jones is gimpy and having a horrible year
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:30 pm to Townedrunkard
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Theres a reason why u haven’t bumped this thread in weeks. Any casual fan knows. DD took over as the main play maker for Trae and they have done nothing but win.
I didnt have to bump it. Others did and pointed out herb was shooting better and dyson still cant shoot. Hawks have a good team. We have Zion. That's why theyre winning and we arent.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I didnt have to bump it. Others did and pointed out herb was shooting better and dyson still cant shoot. Hawks have a good team. We have Zion. That's why theyre winning and we arent.
Just b/c u a better shooter doesn’t make u the better player. You have alot to learn. And no one thought the hawks had the better team. That’s laughable.
You look pathetic with these constant excuses. Same as last year.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Lmfao. You just dont get it. Dyson is an awful shooter, herb is hurt, yet is still a comparable player to dyson on defense and is still shooting 3s and fts better.
I really like DD...but...I have been very disappointed in his shooting. Keep thinking he is going to make a huge improvement. As odd as it sounds...we place quite a bit of importance on analyzing free throw improvement as much as outside shooting early in a player's career...in trying to predict a player's future shooting ability.
Without getting too much into the weeds on this...I learned this concept from someone I greatly respect in the analytics world...and it has served us well.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:47 pm to Dinky Mulberry
How about both Herb and DD are bad and luckily Herb can be traded Jan 16th
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:51 pm to Townedrunkard
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Just b/c u a better shooter doesn’t make u the better player.
Shooting is the single most important skill in the league. If two players are similar in stats, and one rebounds and gives a little more playmaking while the other is a better 3pt and ft shooter, guess which player the gm wants?
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You have alot to learn.
Lolol
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:57 pm to 50_Tiger
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How about both Herb and DD are bad and luckily Herb can be traded Jan 16th
I actually think both are vey "liquid"...as far as trade value is concerned. Herb has the advantage due to current salary situation...but that's assuming DD is about to become a bit overpaid considering his current shooting status ...but if DD can somehow improve that shooting ability...coupled with his age advantage...well...who knows...two months is a looong way off...let's hope everybody just stays healthy
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Shooting is the single most important skill in the league
Yea ok. It’s all Hawkins can do and it’s constant nonstop bitching about him on here.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 6:02 pm to Townedrunkard
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It’s all Hawkins can do and it’s constant nonstop bitching about him on here.
You have a lot to learn if thats your defense to my comment on a subject about shooting well mattering more than anything else.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 7:42 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You have a lot to learn if thats your defense to my comment on a subject about shooting well mattering more than anything else.
You have alot to learn if u think just b/c herb is a better 3 point shooter and hits ft’s better, makes him the superior player. Why don’t you talk about fg% this year?
Or steals, blocks, assists etc?
Or team success? Or age. Why leave all these these out? Or the two additional firsts he cost us. Pretty pathetic you trying to die on this hill.
Same idiotic arguments you had last year defending the Murray trade on. As DD took home MIP, first team all nba defensive team and voted best wing defender in the league. And townedrunk told u it was a shite trade at the time. And it turned into a shite trade just as I predicted for the Pels.
Just can’t fix stupid I guess.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:01 pm to Townedrunkard
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Why don’t you talk about fg% this year?
Because its a basic counting stat. They're virtually dead even in eFG
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Or steals, blocks, assists etc?
Because outside of assists they're very similar?
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Or team success
Herb can't make Zion healthy, silly arguing point
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Or age
Because this is a this season thread, silly arguing point
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the two additional firsts he cost us
Herb isn't the gm.
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As DD took home MIP, first team all nba defensive team and voted best wing defender in the league. And townedrunk told u it was a shite trade at the time. And it turned into a shite trade just as I predicted for the Pels.
And there it is, your usual I'm right about the trade because one player had a catastrophic injury.
You're so bad at this
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:09 pm to whatiknowsofar
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And there it is, your usual I'm right about the trade because one player had a catastrophic injury. You're so bad at this
Lol. No one in their right mind is aguing about that trade now. I thought it woukd take three years for us to regret it, but the victory parade was last year.
That trade was the catalyst to us not having any picks in the draft this year. No arguing that. And now our only hope is to rehab Murray enough to get something back for him.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:10 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You're so bad at this
And yet I’m always right in the end….
Posted on 11/24/25 at 9:19 am to Townedrunkard
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yet I’m always right in the end….
And once again, for the 100th time, bragging about being right about a trade because a normally healthy player suffers a freak injury is the lowest tier of "itoldyaso" talk there is.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 4:25 am to whatiknowsofar
This is what I don't get about about great defensive specialists, especially wings. How do you determine a great game or season?
For example, Daniels went for 11/9/7 last night on decent shooting numbers. His team got blown out, and he had a -23. So you can't hold that against him too much. But he defended McCollum who had maybe the greatest shooting performance in the NBA this year (46 points on only 25 shots).
At what point does your defensive specialist focus on the guy having a monster game? How is that not a bad look for him? Same thing with Jones this year. When someone is going off, why isn't he locked on them the rest of the game?
For example, Daniels went for 11/9/7 last night on decent shooting numbers. His team got blown out, and he had a -23. So you can't hold that against him too much. But he defended McCollum who had maybe the greatest shooting performance in the NBA this year (46 points on only 25 shots).
At what point does your defensive specialist focus on the guy having a monster game? How is that not a bad look for him? Same thing with Jones this year. When someone is going off, why isn't he locked on them the rest of the game?
Posted on 11/26/25 at 5:46 am to Townedrunkard
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Shooting is the single most important skill in the league
Yea ok. It’s all Hawkins can do and it’s constant nonstop bitching about him on here.
"Bricking" is a more accurate description of what Hawkins does. He's supposed to be a shooter, but he shot 33% from 3 last season, and he's shooting 26% so far this season.
That's why Hawkins is unpopular here. He can't play defense and is supposed to be a shooter but can't make shots.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 6:03 am to GOP_Tiger
DD supposed to have more upside bc he is younger. Herb fits our team now more than DD. DD would off the ball and would limit his offense bc he would be more of a shooter instead of a play maker.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 6:27 am to Split2874
This team and organization are train wrecks and yall picking apart some minor nuances between two fringe starters in the NBA. I think you guys are missing the forest through the trees.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 7:18 am
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