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re: Draft Discussion
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:37 pm to duyp
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:37 pm to duyp
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Only negative I can find is that he doesn’t have many assists, so I’m not sure if the vision is there.
He's a shooter.
I really like what he does off the ball in the half court. I wouldn't be upset if we took him, and would be even happier if we could get him at 16.
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:07 pm to kadillak
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Assuming Cade, Green, Mobley, Barnes, Suggs, and Kuminga are off the board, I think Giddey and maybe Moody would be two guys I'd rather grab at 10 than trade down. It would be hard for me to pass on Giddey as a high ceiling oversized playmaker with really good feel for the game. Moody also seems like a good bet with his shooting, defense, IQ, and measurements.
When it comes to Barnes I think I would prefer to try and move up to select him then move back. But aside from the guys you mentioned for me it would be Moody and MAYBE Sengun just based off his ceiling.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:34 pm to TigerinATL
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Just checked out a highlight clip and wondered why this guy isn't in the top 10. He looks like Wenyen Gabriel if he were fluid, high motor and aggressive. Then I looked at his shooting percentages 30% from 3 and 44% overall. I don't know if he's bad at the rim too or just takes a bunch of jumpshots he shouldn't, but a guy that big with those physical tools should be shooting way higher than 44% from the field.
The crazy thing is his FT% is 74%. That's probably where the intrigue is coming from. Teams think they can fix him.
"Close 2" he was 66% on 67 attempts. "Far 2" he was 36% on 50 attempts. Thor has been kind of a Draft Twitter darling, I guess you could say. I think they point to the touch on his FTs and overall shooting form as encouragement that he will be a good shooter from the perimeter in time.
JT Thor vs. Kai Jones vs. Usman Garuba is going to be an interesting group to see shake out over the next month. All are high energy guys who can do so much defensively at their size. I have a hard time believing Kai Jones isn't a top 10 pick when all is said and done.
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When it comes to Barnes I think I would prefer to try and move up to select him then move back
Absolutely agreed
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:57 pm to duyp
Bouknight is kind of redundant with NAW.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:02 pm to kadillak
I have a feeling the picks from the middle of the lottery to the back end are going to be a lot different than what people have been mocking up until now.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:05 pm to Lester Earl
This class is pretty balanced after 5/6 and it'll probably comes down to preference at that point. A lot of quality players in this draft.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Bouknight is kind of redundant with NAW.
Micheal Jordan is kind of redundant with Clyde Drexler
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
Let's calm down with the MJ comparisons
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Micheal Jordan is kind of redundant with Clyde Drexler
No not really teddy-3guard
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:14 pm to Lester Earl
I think he is just harkening back to Portland's reasoning for picking Sam Bowie
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:35 pm to Lester Earl
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No not really teddy-3guard
yeah b/c there's no such thing as a 3 guard right? It's still 1985 and there 2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center on the court.
i'm not comparing anyone to MJ you morons. simply that you don't approach the nba draft with that stupid mindset, "well we already have a young SG so let's not draft another one"
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:43 pm to Lester Earl
Yeah I feel like Bouk and Naw are similar to an extent. Big guards that can create their own shots and can carry an offense when they get hot.
Bouk is probably 10-15% more athletic and NAW is a more natural passer and floor general. Bouk is a better scorer, but he has crazy tunnel vision, some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Maybe part of it was the level of teammate he had at UCONN, but for as much as he had the ball and the attention he was drawing, he should've had a minimum of 4-5 assists a game, yet he only averaged 1.8.
Another thing with Bouk is that he’s a horrible spot up shooter and isn’t good coming off screens either. Not sure he’s a great fit. I like that he can create his own shot, but he has more tunnel vision than BI and Zion combined. I’d probably pass on him and take Bones Hyland instead as he’s a better pure shooter that can create his own shot and spot up equally as well.
Bouk is probably 10-15% more athletic and NAW is a more natural passer and floor general. Bouk is a better scorer, but he has crazy tunnel vision, some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Maybe part of it was the level of teammate he had at UCONN, but for as much as he had the ball and the attention he was drawing, he should've had a minimum of 4-5 assists a game, yet he only averaged 1.8.
Another thing with Bouk is that he’s a horrible spot up shooter and isn’t good coming off screens either. Not sure he’s a great fit. I like that he can create his own shot, but he has more tunnel vision than BI and Zion combined. I’d probably pass on him and take Bones Hyland instead as he’s a better pure shooter that can create his own shot and spot up equally as well.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:19 pm to TeddyPadillac
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simply that you don't approach the nba draft with that stupid mindset, "well we already have a young SG so let's not draft another one"
You also don’t approach the draft to always take the best player available
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:38 pm to Lester Earl
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You also don’t approach the draft to always take the best player available
I agree.
I just dont' think we should be drafting a guy that you know will take 2-3 years to develop, and has a high bust probability, and a guy that hasn't shown he can shoot, even from the free throw line, is a guy that has a high bust probability.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:40 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Another thing with Bouk is that he’s a horrible spot up shooter and isn’t good coming off screens either. Not sure he’s a great fit
Always the same mistakes i read...Always draft the BPA (Moody at 10 probably).
The draft is the best way to have talented players at a cheap cost.
If you want to have a great fit, just trade this pick...And try to have great fits like Covington, Brogdon, Duncan Robinson, Michael Porter Jr etc
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:15 pm to Lester Earl
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Bouknight is kind of redundant with NAW.
But people want Lavine and Beal. He even admitted that he took ill-advised shots. He is great at off ball movement. I admit he wasnt a great spot shooter but that can be easily fixed with his form.
I can see him being a jordan Clarkson if anything for us. Where NAW starts with Lonzo. Just one of the prospects I think we should be interested in.
I still prefer Moses Moody though because you can’t have too many wings. I want Mitchell also, but his height does seem scary. However if he really is 6’2 in shoes (2” shoes), I don’t mind grabbing him.
Just guys who are built with confidence
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:19 am to nicj4
I mean if we have Zion and BI, it would be nice if we drafted a guy that could hit more than 21% of his spot up threes. Bouk isn’t some generational talent that we can just let him come in here and run the offense over Z or BI. I don’t mind him, but he’s in the same tier as many other players that probably would fit our roster better.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:15 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Bouk isn’t some generational talent
This is actually one of my slight concerns with Bouknight. I’m not comparing him to these guys play wise, just as examples, but is he Donovan Mitchell? Or is he going to be Dion Waiters? Or can he settle in the middle and be (and accept) Jordan Clarkson?
I can see a scenario where he’s really not that good in the league, and his style of play, or usage, rubs some people the wrong way. Or maybe he’s really good and you don’t mind if he’s playing that playground style of basketball.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:42 am to CP3forMVP
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he’s playing that playground style of basketball.
three on three.
but not on the spurs or gsw.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:47 am to CP3forMVP
Anybody really watch Keon Johnson this year? I saw that he broke all the combine records and scouts are drooling over what a physical freak he is.. what is his upside look like?
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