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Did Griffin know?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:50 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:50 am
1) Did he know this team would have severe issues with spacing and defense, and just wouldn't be that good? And this is just part of an overarching plan to transform the roster with more trades and draft picks?
or
2) Did he think this team would actually be competitive and the shooting/spacing would be fine?
If it was 1... I am anxious to see the plan unfold, and if it hasn't started to unfold by the beginning of next season, we have to be extremely worried.
If it was 2... a lot of us on here, on a message board, predicted what the issues would be. Then I would be gravely, gravely concerned with Griffin.
or
2) Did he think this team would actually be competitive and the shooting/spacing would be fine?
If it was 1... I am anxious to see the plan unfold, and if it hasn't started to unfold by the beginning of next season, we have to be extremely worried.
If it was 2... a lot of us on here, on a message board, predicted what the issues would be. Then I would be gravely, gravely concerned with Griffin.
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:57 am to Fun Bunch
I think Griffin hoped the team would be good, but that info from MM about the draft really makes me think Griff's main focus is finding a way to get a Bradley Beal level player. Anything that happens before that which doesn't involve Ingram and Zion improving doesn't matter other than maintaining/improving the value of the war chest.
Ingram is progressing nicely, and as much as we are worried about Zion's defense, he's putting up historic offensive numbers with just one move going against all 5 defenders every night. On top of that Washington isn't doing so well, so Griffin is probably happy.
Ingram is progressing nicely, and as much as we are worried about Zion's defense, he's putting up historic offensive numbers with just one move going against all 5 defenders every night. On top of that Washington isn't doing so well, so Griffin is probably happy.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:00 am to Fun Bunch
I'm sure he didn't expect this roster to be at the bottom of the league in both attempts and percentages. Nobody expected Ball,Melli, and Redick to shoot this poorly coming into the season.
The problem is that he cornered SVG into a corner with Ball and Bledsoe. The fit sucks and they are big reasons why we are losing games. And SVG isn't going to make radical changes 14 games into the season.
I'm not worried yet. When you have pieces like Zion and Ingram, putting together a supporting cast shouldn't be too difficult moving forward. They need to find out what they have in NAW, Lewis, and Hayes and move on from Melli, Ball, and Redick as soon as possible.
This team biggest problem seems to be their inability to play both good offense and defense at the same time. I think that stems from the starting backcourt. It won't change until they are benched.
The problem is that he cornered SVG into a corner with Ball and Bledsoe. The fit sucks and they are big reasons why we are losing games. And SVG isn't going to make radical changes 14 games into the season.
I'm not worried yet. When you have pieces like Zion and Ingram, putting together a supporting cast shouldn't be too difficult moving forward. They need to find out what they have in NAW, Lewis, and Hayes and move on from Melli, Ball, and Redick as soon as possible.
This team biggest problem seems to be their inability to play both good offense and defense at the same time. I think that stems from the starting backcourt. It won't change until they are benched.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:07 am to Fun Bunch
If I and most of the people on this board could tell it was #1, I have to think Griffin and Langdon did as well.
I think the goals they had their off-season were trading Jrue for the best possible package, signing Ingram to a 5 year max, and seeing what other long / medium term pieces they could add either through moving up in the draft or getting a guy like Adams. I don't think they sought to cure everything that ails this team this off-season. If they did then it's a giant fail.
I agree that I think their main focus is asset accumulation to get a third guy and having Ingram / Zion develop. And maybe they saw being somewhat bad this season in a stacked West with a great draft class and getting either a long-term piece through the draft or another asset to get a guy like Beal as an added positive. But who knows.
I know Jake pointed out on the pod that Griff changed his tone from "we want to beat people's asses" last off-season to "we want to build a sustainable winner" this off-season, so maybe they did see this coming.
But either way, the main goal this minute needs to be getting Lonzo the hell off this team ASAP.
I think the goals they had their off-season were trading Jrue for the best possible package, signing Ingram to a 5 year max, and seeing what other long / medium term pieces they could add either through moving up in the draft or getting a guy like Adams. I don't think they sought to cure everything that ails this team this off-season. If they did then it's a giant fail.
I agree that I think their main focus is asset accumulation to get a third guy and having Ingram / Zion develop. And maybe they saw being somewhat bad this season in a stacked West with a great draft class and getting either a long-term piece through the draft or another asset to get a guy like Beal as an added positive. But who knows.
I know Jake pointed out on the pod that Griff changed his tone from "we want to beat people's asses" last off-season to "we want to build a sustainable winner" this off-season, so maybe they did see this coming.
But either way, the main goal this minute needs to be getting Lonzo the hell off this team ASAP.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 9:09 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:15 am to Fun Bunch
A little of both? While it's for sure a transitional team they couldn't have expected it to be this bad. I'm confident that at least expected to compete for a playoff spot. Two guys you expected to space the floor, JJ and Melli, have been terrible. No way to expect stuff like JJ, a career 41.5% 3pt shooter, to be shoot 32.4%. We've been surprised to sell Melli fall off the wagon too. There was misplaced hope that Ball would progress and not regress.
On the other hand, Bledsoe is a career 34% 3pt shooter now shooting 39% on season, which is great if we want to move him.
It's been a weird year!
On the other hand, Bledsoe is a career 34% 3pt shooter now shooting 39% on season, which is great if we want to move him.
It's been a weird year!
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:19 am to LesGeaux45
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I agree that I think their main focus is asset accumulation to get a third guy and having Ingram / Zion develop. And maybe they saw being somewhat bad this season in a stacked West with a great draft class and getting either a long-term piece through the draft or another asset to get a guy like Beal as an added positive. But who knows.
I don't understand not going all in on this though. If you know you're going to be bad...be bad.
Get rid of the vets, go with youth. Literally the perfect season to do it with no fans.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
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but that info from MM about the draft really makes me think Griff's main focus is finding a way to get a Bradley Beal level player.
What info? Must've missed that
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:21 am to Hazelnut
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What info? Must've missed that
That the Pelicans were looking to move the pick, HARD, and move down and pick someone like Maxey later and get an extra pick. That Griff didn't care that much who we drafted at 13, just really wanted an asset. Something to that effect.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:21 am to Hazelnut
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:25 am to shel311
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:27 am to Fun Bunch
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I don't understand not going all in on this though. If you know you're going to be bad...be bad.
Get rid of the vets, go with youth. Literally the perfect season to do it with no fans.
The vets we would trade have stunk this year and have minimal trade value. There are still two months until the trade deadline. If we hang on to guys after that then debate is more interesting and opens question if Griifin is resting trading guys for pennies on the dollar.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
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Get rid of the vets, go with youth. Literally the perfect season to do it with no fans
I agree at this point. I mean I get wanting to have some veteran leadership on the team to teach these guys the right way to do things, but now I think you ship out JJ, Lonzo, and Melli and make room for all the young guys. Keep Adams as your vet presence. And just go full on developmental year and Cunningham / Mobley sweepstakes. I think all of us will handle losing better this year too if it's with Kira, NAW, and Jax getting significant developmental PT.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
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I don't understand not going all in on this though. If you know you're going to be bad...be bad.
I don't get this either. Although the main obstacle to this is Lonzo. Maybe Griff is stuck between developing NAW/Kira and maxing Lonzo's trade value?
Most of us here don't think that's a hard choice to make, but I also think that teams don't view things on a game to game timeline like fans do. I'm sure they view it in bigger chunks of games just like most businesses do. So while we feel Lonzo needs to go immediately, the team may see that as something to evaluate after say, game 20.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:31 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
1) Did he know this team would have severe issues with spacing and defense, and just wouldn't be that good? And this is just part of an overarching plan to transform the roster with more trades and draft picks?
or
2) Did he think this team would actually be competitive and the shooting/spacing would be fine?
Everyone knew their would be spacing issues and I am sure Griff did too. Honestly I think it has more to do with the style of offense and terrible slump this team is in. Last years team is essentially the same as this team in terms of percentages, but they are just not hitting their shots so far this year. Hopefully that changes. I also think he figured this team would be competitive and honestly they should be. This team has the talent to be competitive and with guys like Zion and Ingram, you should be able to at least compete with the best. That is not the case right now. I am worried more about the mentality and coaching of this team than the talent. They look defeated and absolutely lost at times. I hope SVG can turn it around but so far he has been a really bad coach.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:32 am to TigerinATL
We are entering the easier part of this schedule. My hope is that we can get right a bit and guys like Lonzo and Bledsoe and rehab some trade value.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:33 am to J_Hingle
Ball's value is directly influenced by the pace that we play at. Are we going to continue to play at a high pace to get the most out of Ball or are we going back to the slow paced offense SVG prefers. If we were trying to get his value up for a trade, I would imagine we should be playing at a higher paced offense like last night. Ball is useless in a slow paced half court heavy offense.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:41 am to Fun Bunch
I think its a little more #2 honestly. Spacing wasn't as much an issue last year so how would Griff know the shooting from Hart, Melli, JJ and Ball would fall off?
Defense was an issue but Griff hired a defensive coach and they got a better anchor in Adams and replaced Jrue with Bledsoe so I don't think he expected the D to be just as poor.
Defense was an issue but Griff hired a defensive coach and they got a better anchor in Adams and replaced Jrue with Bledsoe so I don't think he expected the D to be just as poor.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:51 am to Fun Bunch
I remember after the bubble Swin Cash made a comment saying no one will remember or care about the 8 seed in the bubble if by 2023 the Pels are handling business.
To me, along with the MM draft rumor let’s me know they aren’t too concerned with the roster right now outside of Zion and Ingram. The rest of the guys are just trade pieces to get that 3rd star. Once that happens then I think you see what their vision is on the court.
To me, along with the MM draft rumor let’s me know they aren’t too concerned with the roster right now outside of Zion and Ingram. The rest of the guys are just trade pieces to get that 3rd star. Once that happens then I think you see what their vision is on the court.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:00 am to WB504
Taking an optimistic view, the fact that the team is not weighed down by Ball/Heart extensions is HUGE.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:05 am to ghost2most
Am I the only one who's not overly impressed with the "war chest"? We keep trading assets away to the best teams in the league and getting glorified 2nd round picks back in return
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