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re: Devonte Graham to Pelicans for first round 2022 lottery-protected pick 4yrs/47 million
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:35 am to shel311
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:35 am to shel311
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and we gave a 1st for Adams then later had to give another 1st to get off of Adams(and Bled)
And you also received JV in return.
Why leave out key parts of a trade?
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:39 am to shel311
It just sucks he wasted an entire yr and 3 picks.
On top of that it's hard to get players here so he could've used those to trade for brogdon or sexton.
Even if you had to give an extra first and overpay, at least you were using it on a good player.
On top of that it's hard to get players here so he could've used those to trade for brogdon or sexton.
Even if you had to give an extra first and overpay, at least you were using it on a good player.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:40 am to Chalkywhite84
Who is playing center for you in this dream scenario?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:40 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:
On top of that it's hard to get players here so he could've used those to trade for brogdon or sexton.
That's what I said earlier, but speaking of Myles Turner
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:43 am to Mystery
Anyone.
Even if billy and jaxson played center all yr you would've been in the same place.
You get a javale mcgee type player.
Only way you pay for a center if it's someone who is elite or can do multiple things well.
Even if billy and jaxson played center all yr you would've been in the same place.
You get a javale mcgee type player.
Only way you pay for a center if it's someone who is elite or can do multiple things well.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:47 am to Chalkywhite84
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Even if billy and jaxson played center all yr you would've been in the same place.
Are you saying JV is the same place as playing those two all year?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:48 am to BilJ
quote:Agreed
which I get the argument of "well these picks aren't likely to matter" but I also look at them as nice filler when/if ever we make a move for that 3rd star.
Plus, we only see "well these picks aren't likely to matter" when we give one up. If the picks aren't likely to matter then Chicago would have given us one for Lonzo.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:49 am to Mystery
quote:I understand that deal had multiple parts but you really think we got of of Adams and Bled for free? Of course not, part of that deal was us paying for that.
And you also received JV in return.
Why leave out key parts of a trade?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:51 am to shel311
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understand that deal had multiple parts but you really think we got of of Adams and Bled for free? Of course not, part of that deal was us paying for that.
No. I am not. But using 2 1st rounds picks to make a point and leaving off JV is just wrong.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:52 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:52 am to Mystery
Ok. i'm on board. Devonte Graham is a cheap version of Damian Lillard. Lets go.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:52 am to Mystery
quote:Whole deal also included moving down from 10 to 17. That could easily be seen as the compensation for JV.
No. I am not. But using 2 1st rounds picks to make a point and leaving off JV is just wrong.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:54 am to BilJ
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get the argument of "well these picks aren't likely to matter" but I also look at them as nice filler when/if ever we make a move for that 3rd star
They still have picks to add a 3rd star if that opportunity presents itself
The Pelicans can’t build a team regularly through free agency, they have zero momentum as a franchise.
They can’t afford to build through the draft because they don’t have the time to do wait on that.
They are forced to push the issue a little bit. They’ve lost picks but have also mitigated the risk surrounding those deals. It’s not exactly franchise crippling
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:54 am to NOSHAU
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Whole deal also included moving down from 10 to 17. That could easily be seen as the compensation for JV.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:56 am to Mystery
quote:So what part of my argument you don't agree with?
No. I am not.
We used a 1st to get Adams, we gave up picks to get off of Adams/Bled. Yes, we got Jval but nothing I said is untrue.
We got dudes with a 1st and 1 year later gave up a 1st to get off of these dudes.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm fine with Barnes at the 4
Are we playing Zion at the 3 or the 5 in this scenario? I know we are in the era of position less basketball, but Zion hasn’t showed yet that he can anchor a defense or guard guys in the perimeter.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:01 am to Baron
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Are we playing Zion at the 3 or the 5 in this scenario?
well after acquiring Graham, defense is a tertiary strategy for our team and offensively Zion is basically a point, so neither
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:02 am to shel311
Leaving JV out of that trade is just being misleading to make a point. I don't agree with that. Hyperbole isn't needed.
Yes, factually picks were used to get off of two contracts.
But those picks also yielded a pretty good player in a position of need. That could be an asset or a future long term player, baring how he fits.
Yes, factually picks were used to get off of two contracts.
But those picks also yielded a pretty good player in a position of need. That could be an asset or a future long term player, baring how he fits.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 10:03 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:03 am to Baron
Barnes plays both the 3 and the 4. It'll be easy to get him minutes when we stagger Zion and BI.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:04 am to supe12sta12z
What's a realistic scenario for Barnes here?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:05 am to supe12sta12z
Sure. And I’m not saying Barnes wouldn’t work on the team, I’m just pushing back a little on this “perfect fit” narrative that I’ve seen pop up a few times on here. 2016 Barnes is a perfect fit, 2021 Barnes is an okay fit.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 10:06 am
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