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re: Devonte Graham to Pelicans for first round 2022 lottery-protected pick 4yrs/47 million
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:07 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't feel what we're seeing is the result of lack of planning. It's more Griff over estimating his ability to attract players so he spends too much time on unrealistic options. It also didn't help that this was a crap market, there just weren't many options to go after.
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:14 am to TigerinATL
what's really grinding my gears is that we didn't acquire Myles Turner b/c he was "too expensive" but we've spent effectively 2-3, 1sts on Devonte Graham 
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Don't get so focused on the "name" and "position". I think that's the main problem with this board...truly only a handful of us watch more than just the Pels on a semi-regular basis so don't truly understand a guy's game.
Point is that it's far too early to have a true opinion on this off-season. Casting takes on every move made will drive you insane. Just wait it out and then look at the thing as a whole.
For example, I am willing to bet if we end up with Jonas Valanciunas, Harrison Barnes, Devonte Graham, Garrett Temple, Georges Niang, and bring back Willy many will call that a success.
Point is that it's far too early to have a true opinion on this off-season. Casting takes on every move made will drive you insane. Just wait it out and then look at the thing as a whole.
For example, I am willing to bet if we end up with Jonas Valanciunas, Harrison Barnes, Devonte Graham, Garrett Temple, Georges Niang, and bring back Willy many will call that a success.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:23 am to TigerinATL
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It's more Griff over estimating his ability to attract players so he spends too much time on unrealistic options.
maybe, maybe not.
maybe soliciting the likes of Lowry or Paul didn’t change anything and what was gonna happen happened anyway.
the lack of difference makers available makes it easier to do that, not harder. Let’s see what transpired with the Memphis deal. If the pels can’t bring back at least one legitimate starter once this all is over then yes, he fricked up and should have just taken graham into cap space. Que sera
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:26 am to BallHawk
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Just wait it out and then look at the thing as a whole.
Expand that "whole" to the past 13 months and you'll see what most people being critical are discussing.
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.truly only a handful of us watch more than just the Pels on a semi-regular basis so don't truly understand a guy's game.
This argument only makes sense if people are criticizing the player. They're not. They're criticizing the cost (especially when you look at what we got for a superior asset in a S/T and all the costs Griffin has caused our team to spend the past 13 months)
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
You aren’t getting any argument over last seasons shite show. Sadly I thought it would work out better but it was a massive detriment to this team moving forward with the war chest we have/had.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:30 am to TigerinATL
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I don't feel what we're seeing is the result of lack of planning. It's more Griff over estimating his ability to attract players so he spends too much time on unrealistic options. It also didn't help that this was a crap market, there just weren't many options to go after.
I mean, you know what’s going to happen.
He got crushed with pressure to improve the roster. FA was terrible this year. He went all in to lure one of the bigger guys here and they just wanted to go elsewhere. So the strategy has gone to filling it out the best we can, but, also not way overcommitting to anyone. I still don’t love having to send that first out for Graham, but by all accounts thats a great deal for a good young player who’s a confident shooter.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:32 am to MrJimBeam
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Sadly I thought it would work out better
It could have, but Bledsoe is a real piece of shite and SVG is a lying a-hole.
Adams was fine. The extension allowed us flexibility in moving him, which we did.
Zion exploding after point Zion also changed things, which compounded with SVG thinking he should coach to win.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm really hoping that SVG was just an awful coach and that the players under Willie will just be that much better. This is a very young team that's going to be better just from experience. We've so far improved this offseason not just from a roster standpoint (still could get better), but we got what is a well respected assistant to hopefully get buy in moving forward. I'm hoping Willie can really change the attitude and perspective of this team the next couple of years to where just maybe we can keep Zion past his rookie contract.
ETA: I feel like we need to reiterate just how bad SVG was last year and how much better this team is without him.
ETA: I feel like we need to reiterate just how bad SVG was last year and how much better this team is without him.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 7:36 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:38 am to MrJimBeam
that SVG-leaked hit piece didn't even gain much traction. the major media knows SVG caused a lot of bullshite last year
even Simmons openly discusses how he pissed everyone off
even Simmons openly discusses how he pissed everyone off
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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They're criticizing the cost
But we don’t even know what the cost is for. It’s doubtful that it’s only for Graham, it was also for space to bring in another player. You can’t judge the cost yet, when you don’t even know what you’re buying.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:40 am to Epic Cajun
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it was also for space to bring in another player.
what space, exactly?
we had cap room with a $20M Lonzo contract, IIRC
yeah we have tons of space for a team no major FA wants to sign with. great
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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we have tons of space for a team no major FA wants to sign with. great
FA sucked this year. I’d rather have flexibility and the ability to trade for someone at the deadline or sign one of the big FAs next year than be stuck with long term contracts like Gordon or Boogie that limit what we can do.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:In the Memphis deal, we could bring in ~32 mil on top of Jonas. The Graham deal could be folded into that, and probably starts at 11 mil. Which means we should be able to bring in another ~20-22ish mil into that trade. We could possibly take in Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes, Kendrick Nunn, Derrick White, etc... into that space in the trade. There are still options out there.
what space, exactly?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:52 am to BallHawk
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I am willing to bet if we end up with Jonas Valanciunas, Harrison Barnes, Devonte Graham, Garrett Temple, Georges Niang, and bring back Willy many will call that a success.
and louzada
and Murphy 3
and another year on hayes, lewis and NAW
and Zions development
if the pels’ investments in young players doesn’t bear fruit (and I mean legit NBA starter/difference maker fruit) then griffin will be gone and that will be that. Free agency is just window dressing and half the time you regret the bug signing almost immediately
for fricking years we have been pounding the table to draft well and develop our own. Now they are trying to do that and all we can talk about is sending out a protected first for a bench scorer on a mid level deal
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:09 am to cgrand
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for fricking years we have been pounding the table to draft well
Dude
People are mad at all the draft picks we have traded the past year
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
so you’d rather more first year players taken late or post lottery?
how many roster spots do you think an NBA team can carry?
“We need to build the war chest!!!”
(Pels build war chest)
“We need to draft more players!”
(Pels draft players)
“Why did griff use a pick to fill out the roster???”
it’s tiresome
Adams was a mistake and it cost a pick. Everything else that has been expended results in an asset on the roster
how many roster spots do you think an NBA team can carry?
“We need to build the war chest!!!”
(Pels build war chest)
“We need to draft more players!”
(Pels draft players)
“Why did griff use a pick to fill out the roster???”
it’s tiresome
Adams was a mistake and it cost a pick. Everything else that has been expended results in an asset on the roster
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:36 am to cgrand
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so you’d rather more first year players taken late or post lottery?
you were criticizing fans for not wanting to build organically and now you're criticizing people who want to build through the draft. pick a side, bro
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Everything else that has been expended results in an asset on the roster
we just traded a superior asset (Zo) for less in return than what we spent to get his replacement (Graham)
That was not a positive trade, no matter how you want to spin it.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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superior asset (Zo)
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:40 am to MrJimBeam
compared to Graham? yes. that's not a controversial statement outside of Pellies sunshine pumping
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